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<blockquote data-quote="phenryiv1" data-source="post: 2840537" data-attributes="member: 572008"><p>Hooked on phonics?</p><p></p><p>You would not know less than 5% BF unless we starved your fat @$$ for 6 months.</p><p></p><p>I am glad that even you see your last comment for what it was.</p><p></p><p>Since you are so combative, you don't seem to be understanding what I was saying...if you really want to SEE gains, you need to lean down. You already stated that you have "big" legs naturally. So why not develop them into somethign more muscular? Muscle burn more calories than fat, and though you cannot (supposedly) target-burn fat, look at a guy who runs (any running- distance, sprints, etc.) a lot...they can have very muscular legs that can be very large and still well-defined,ut they can still have undeveloped or even fat upper bodies. If you want to SEE the best gains, you'd throw in cardio to allow your muscular gains in the upper body to show through. Even doing high-rep work should get your legs to develop some tone and possibly reduce their overall size and add to their muscularity. If your legs are smaller and still muscular, they will make your upper body look bigger- especially if you are engaged in mass-building activities for your upper body.This is my OPINION, but if I ever WAS going to juice, it would ONLY be to break a plateau. Why would you possibly rob your body of its natural gains, perhaps sabatoging your long-term ability to develop your body naturally? I have lifted with guys who would cycle after 4-6 weeks of a plateau that they reached naturally. If I ever WAS going to do it, that woudl be the time. IMO, it seems stupid to get in the way of the significant gans that most people see in their first 6-9 months of natural, high-intensity training when they first get serious.If your weight is any indicator, you lack the moticvation and self-control needed to maintain any gains that you might see throuh steroids, once you go off of them.Then don't talk about whether I could have 2% BF when you have never been below 12% in your life.For ME, it is cheating, because I went from 110 lb. weakling to ~150-160 and benching 2x my body weight naturally. It took time and a lot of hard work, but even a single cycle of Andro that I took in 1999 felt to me like cheating. Like I said, I have lifted with guys who have done it, and they make big gains...and when they go off, I catch up as they fall back. See above. I am NOT blessed with big legs, so I cannot really put myself in your place. But as I said above, toning what you have with high-rep sets would not hurt, plus a spine-compression lift like the squat (or deadlift) has been shown to increase natural production of HGH in some studies.You keep calling him a "pro" but I read the thread- he never claimed to be a professional. He says that he worked/works in the field, but never that he was a "pro." I am a weightlifter, a wrestler, and an aspiring triathlete...but I won't be a "pro" at any of them, despite the fact that I spend as much time working out as I do at ANY other non-work activity. I even coach my HS wrestling team...that does not make me a "pro," even though I have wrestled for 20 of my 30 years, and went to college to wrestle DI, and was All-State twice. Just because I know more about wrestling than 99% of the world, I am not a "pro." And despite lifting ONLY as a hobby and to get me in shape for wrestling, I still probably know more about lifting than 99% of people in the gym...but I am certainly not as "pro." Pound for pound, there is RARELY a stronger person in any gym that I go to. But I certainly admit that there are more knowlegable and stronger prople there.</p><p>Look, I bashed you for being a big guy, because if I had your frame to start with, I'd be benching 500 lb or more. Why? Because I took a non-muscular 110 lb. 5'5" frame and made it what I have. For that reason, I could probably do the same if I was 5'7" or 5'10" or 6'3" if I was starting from that point. And you clearly HAVE NOT done that with your frame, so I have to assume that I know more about what I am talking about than you do- or that you MAYBE have the knowlege but are not significantly motivated to actually do what it takes to really get yourself in shape.</p><p></p><p>And by the way- I could not care less about my ca.com rep.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="phenryiv1, post: 2840537, member: 572008"] Hooked on phonics? You would not know less than 5% BF unless we starved your fat @$$ for 6 months. I am glad that even you see your last comment for what it was. Since you are so combative, you don't seem to be understanding what I was saying...if you really want to SEE gains, you need to lean down. You already stated that you have "big" legs naturally. So why not develop them into somethign more muscular? Muscle burn more calories than fat, and though you cannot (supposedly) target-burn fat, look at a guy who runs (any running- distance, sprints, etc.) a lot...they can have very muscular legs that can be very large and still well-defined,ut they can still have undeveloped or even fat upper bodies. If you want to SEE the best gains, you'd throw in cardio to allow your muscular gains in the upper body to show through. Even doing high-rep work should get your legs to develop some tone and possibly reduce their overall size and add to their muscularity. If your legs are smaller and still muscular, they will make your upper body look bigger- especially if you are engaged in mass-building activities for your upper body.This is my OPINION, but if I ever WAS going to juice, it would ONLY be to break a plateau. Why would you possibly rob your body of its natural gains, perhaps sabatoging your long-term ability to develop your body naturally? I have lifted with guys who would cycle after 4-6 weeks of a plateau that they reached naturally. If I ever WAS going to do it, that woudl be the time. IMO, it seems stupid to get in the way of the significant gans that most people see in their first 6-9 months of natural, high-intensity training when they first get serious.If your weight is any indicator, you lack the moticvation and self-control needed to maintain any gains that you might see throuh steroids, once you go off of them.Then don't talk about whether I could have 2% BF when you have never been below 12% in your life.For ME, it is cheating, because I went from 110 lb. weakling to ~150-160 and benching 2x my body weight naturally. It took time and a lot of hard work, but even a single cycle of Andro that I took in 1999 felt to me like cheating. Like I said, I have lifted with guys who have done it, and they make big gains...and when they go off, I catch up as they fall back. See above. I am NOT blessed with big legs, so I cannot really put myself in your place. But as I said above, toning what you have with high-rep sets would not hurt, plus a spine-compression lift like the squat (or deadlift) has been shown to increase natural production of HGH in some studies.You keep calling him a "pro" but I read the thread- he never claimed to be a professional. He says that he worked/works in the field, but never that he was a "pro." I am a weightlifter, a wrestler, and an aspiring triathlete...but I won't be a "pro" at any of them, despite the fact that I spend as much time working out as I do at ANY other non-work activity. I even coach my HS wrestling team...that does not make me a "pro," even though I have wrestled for 20 of my 30 years, and went to college to wrestle DI, and was All-State twice. Just because I know more about wrestling than 99% of the world, I am not a "pro." And despite lifting ONLY as a hobby and to get me in shape for wrestling, I still probably know more about lifting than 99% of people in the gym...but I am certainly not as "pro." Pound for pound, there is RARELY a stronger person in any gym that I go to. But I certainly admit that there are more knowlegable and stronger prople there. Look, I bashed you for being a big guy, because if I had your frame to start with, I'd be benching 500 lb or more. Why? Because I took a non-muscular 110 lb. 5'5" frame and made it what I have. For that reason, I could probably do the same if I was 5'7" or 5'10" or 6'3" if I was starting from that point. And you clearly HAVE NOT done that with your frame, so I have to assume that I know more about what I am talking about than you do- or that you MAYBE have the knowlege but are not significantly motivated to actually do what it takes to really get yourself in shape. And by the way- I could not care less about my ca.com rep. [/QUOTE]
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