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<blockquote data-quote="MmatsDude" data-source="post: 5469917" data-attributes="member: 586264">Logic and reason, when allowed uninhibited freedom, does tend to lead to either indefensible positions according to logic(like, say... unmoved mover), or radical skepticism about everything. Still, I don&#039;t feel this means that we can never understand things like the beginning of the universe of the origin of life. If anything, it&#039;s far more useful to perform experiments and let our reason be tempered by natural results, so that even if we never get to the point where we know everything, what we do know will be as accurate and in line with reality as possible.Also that is the problem with reason alone. People tend to feel that it&#039;s important to produce a completely consistent and complete logical framework for the universe. But, the only way this would be possible would be if the universe were, in it&#039;s totality, either a bundle of concepts or one supreme concept. In reality, you have to take into account that the universe isn&#039;t just concepts, it also contains natural phenomenon. If we want to know about the universe, it&#039;s a good start to observe the universe to see what it is, rather than starting with pure logic which, admittedly, has more in relation with human neurology than with the universe itself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MmatsDude, post: 5469917, member: 586264"] Logic and reason, when allowed uninhibited freedom, does tend to lead to either indefensible positions according to logic(like, say... unmoved mover), or radical skepticism about everything. Still, I don't feel this means that we can never understand things like the beginning of the universe of the origin of life. If anything, it's far more useful to perform experiments and let our reason be tempered by natural results, so that even if we never get to the point where we know everything, what we do know will be as accurate and in line with reality as possible. Also that is the problem with reason alone. People tend to feel that it's important to produce a completely consistent and complete logical framework for the universe. But, the only way this would be possible would be if the universe were, in it's totality, either a bundle of concepts or one supreme concept. In reality, you have to take into account that the universe isn't just concepts, it also contains natural phenomenon. If we want to know about the universe, it's a good start to observe the universe to see what it is, rather than starting with pure logic which, admittedly, has more in relation with human neurology than with the universe itself. [/QUOTE]

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