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<blockquote data-quote="helotaxi" data-source="post: 402286" data-attributes="member: 550915">That&#039;s a bit general.&nbsp; There are subs out there that will not accurately reproduce music no matter how you install them.&nbsp; But I do agree that you can get a lot in the way of SQ without spending a lot of money if you are not concerned with it getting really loud.&nbsp; I still love the sound of my 10W1 that I have had for I think it&#039;s 12 years now.&nbsp; It isn&#039;t loud (it&#039;s only 1 10 with an Xmax of .25&quot;) but it is musical.&nbsp; It sounds great and plays flat (in car response) to subaudible frequencies.&nbsp; It was $99 new, and just a few months ago anyway, you could still get a JL dealer to order tham for you.With inexpensive drivers, 8&#039;s and 10&#039;s generally will sound better than 15&#039;s.&nbsp; Cheap, flimsy cones on 15&#039;s just can&#039;t be stiff enough to sound good.&nbsp; The sheer size of the cone makes it unable to support its own weight and the cone breaks up and the sound quality is out the window.&nbsp; 8&#039;s and 10&#039;s fare much better.&nbsp; Move up to slightly higher quality drivers and the difference in quality becomes less and less until you get to the super subs.&nbsp; The smaller new subs are overbuilt.&nbsp; They are basically scaled down large subs and the cones are much stiffer than they need to be.&nbsp; In the cheap lines of subs, the large subs are scaled up small drivers and the scaling doesn&#039;t work well that way.To the point that the drivers are adequate, a much bigger difference will be made by spending time and effort on the install than spending more money on &quot;better&quot; subs, so, I would agree with that.That makes two of us.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="helotaxi, post: 402286, member: 550915"] That's a bit general. There are subs out there that will not accurately reproduce music no matter how you install them. But I do agree that you can get a lot in the way of SQ without spending a lot of money if you are not concerned with it getting really loud. I still love the sound of my 10W1 that I have had for I think it's 12 years now. It isn't loud (it's only 1 10 with an Xmax of .25") but it is musical. It sounds great and plays flat (in car response) to subaudible frequencies. It was $99 new, and just a few months ago anyway, you could still get a JL dealer to order tham for you. With inexpensive drivers, 8's and 10's generally will sound better than 15's. Cheap, flimsy cones on 15's just can't be stiff enough to sound good. The sheer size of the cone makes it unable to support its own weight and the cone breaks up and the sound quality is out the window. 8's and 10's fare much better. Move up to slightly higher quality drivers and the difference in quality becomes less and less until you get to the super subs. The smaller new subs are overbuilt. They are basically scaled down large subs and the cones are much stiffer than they need to be. In the cheap lines of subs, the large subs are scaled up small drivers and the scaling doesn't work well that way. To the point that the drivers are adequate, a much bigger difference will be made by spending time and effort on the install than spending more money on "better" subs, so, I would agree with that. That makes two of us. [/QUOTE]

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