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<blockquote data-quote="jluv" data-source="post: 4289565" data-attributes="member: 567917"><p>LOL.&nbsp; It&#039;s not a case of me &quot;thinking&quot; they were bad.&nbsp; I&#039;ve used those plugs in 4 different amps for ten years in several different installs.&nbsp; When you say that your Orion plugs are the &quot;exact same&quot;, do you mean that they&#039;re interchangeable with one another?&nbsp; Because the plugs I used with my Art Series amps sucked when it came to holding 4 ga wire securely.&nbsp; Perhaps they are similar designs with different material or a different mechanism on the inside.&nbsp; The PPI plugs had gold plated, wide, flat, convex tabs that were pushed down by the tiny screws.&nbsp; Even when screwed down as far as possible, minimal effort would slide the wire right out.&nbsp; I&#039;ve seen a similar design in plenty of applications, but differences in the shape or surface qualities of the actual tab itself. Some have formed edges, like teeth.&nbsp; Some have holes in the tab for the screw to go through and &quot;bite&quot; into the wire.&nbsp; Some use beefier screws that can be torqued down further and tighter, etc.&nbsp; It&#039;s not so bad laid flat and with the wires secured before the amp so that they won&#039;t be moving.&nbsp; But in an upright install, or in a setup where the box and amp is removable and the plugs stay in the vehicle (the good thing behind the whole design) they just weren&#039;t as secure as they should be.&nbsp; And when it comes to power wire, that&#039;s a pretty big flaw in my eyes.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="jluv, post: 4289565, member: 567917"] LOL. It's not a case of me "thinking" they were bad. I've used those plugs in 4 different amps for ten years in several different installs. When you say that your Orion plugs are the "exact same", do you mean that they're interchangeable with one another? Because the plugs I used with my Art Series amps sucked when it came to holding 4 ga wire securely. Perhaps they are similar designs with different material or a different mechanism on the inside. The PPI plugs had gold plated, wide, flat, convex tabs that were pushed down by the tiny screws. Even when screwed down as far as possible, minimal effort would slide the wire right out. I've seen a similar design in plenty of applications, but differences in the shape or surface qualities of the actual tab itself. Some have formed edges, like teeth. Some have holes in the tab for the screw to go through and "bite" into the wire. Some use beefier screws that can be torqued down further and tighter, etc. It's not so bad laid flat and with the wires secured before the amp so that they won't be moving. But in an upright install, or in a setup where the box and amp is removable and the plugs stay in the vehicle (the good thing behind the whole design) they just weren't as secure as they should be. And when it comes to power wire, that's a pretty big flaw in my eyes. [/QUOTE]

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