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<blockquote data-quote="saj21187" data-source="post: 2889035" data-attributes="member: 570063"><p>You can bypass the pioneers, its just a bit more involved.&nbsp; I will tell you also that going from eclipses 2.1( i think) disc to the 3.0 which is what came with my 6610 is like a night and day difference.&nbsp; I have yet to encounter a road that the eclipse didnt show.&nbsp; Not to mention the new disc as something like 8.5 million pois, vs the i think 4 million the old disc had.&nbsp; Dont get me wrong i like the z1 it is a GREAT looking unit and many people love it, i just prefer the simplicity of the eclipse to the z1.&nbsp; As a matter of fact i went into a local shop today and played around with the z1 and the lag that it had still bugged me a good deal.&nbsp; I would definately try and actually play with both of the units before you buy, because the lag that the z1 has would drive me nuts, especially going through my ipod.&nbsp; Im sure youll be happy either way though<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="saj21187, post: 2889035, member: 570063"] You can bypass the pioneers, its just a bit more involved. I will tell you also that going from eclipses 2.1( i think) disc to the 3.0 which is what came with my 6610 is like a night and day difference. I have yet to encounter a road that the eclipse didnt show. Not to mention the new disc as something like 8.5 million pois, vs the i think 4 million the old disc had. Dont get me wrong i like the z1 it is a GREAT looking unit and many people love it, i just prefer the simplicity of the eclipse to the z1. As a matter of fact i went into a local shop today and played around with the z1 and the lag that it had still bugged me a good deal. I would definately try and actually play with both of the units before you buy, because the lag that the z1 has would drive me nuts, especially going through my ipod. Im sure youll be happy either way though:) [/QUOTE]

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