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<blockquote data-quote="Rudy" data-source="post: 5906858" data-attributes="member: 568035">I doubt that. Gray adhesive, plastic release layer. I&#039;d guess it is some sort of butyl material, but that is a far cry from being a useful sound deadener.The claims made on the MegaMat page are extraordinary. First of all, the guy who owns FatMat bought it less than a year ago, so claims of what &quot;we&quot; did over the years are a little bit weak. This has been a good thing in the sense that this guy actually ships the product in a timely fashion - unlike the original owners who often took months to ship or just never bothered. Of course it hasn&#039;t been a good thing since he&#039;s still selling FatMat as a sound deadener.The statement about companies claiming their products were butyl when they weren&#039;t applies both to the original and current owners of FatMat. The guy is bashing other companies for doing what he has done himself.Try to follow the logic of this statement:Butyl IS an expensive raw material. That being the case, it&#039;s going to cost more in finished form. Unless he is planning on losing money on every package sold his statement is absurd. Since his statement is absolute we have to conclude that either his product isn&#039;t butyl or he is selling it a ridiculous price.A few more interesting points:These would all be application specific using a product that performed well. It isn&#039;t magic.The best vibration damper in the world won&#039;t do that.To what extent? All of the claims this guy makes can be quantified - but why bother when unconstrained marketing hype works so well? Great Installation? What does that mean? Did he mean to say: &quot;Great insulation&quot;? If so, no it&#039;s not.Prove it. Referencing a patent without a patent refernece is ridiculous.Being a &quot;shield&quot; is at the very bottom of the list of things the foil does on a true CLD. Being flexible is the last thing you want in a CLDI can almost guarantee you that the spec&#039;ing for this product went like this: &quot;My customers are complaining about me selling asphalt. Give me the cheapest material I can say is butyl&quot;.That&#039;s not how you end up with a vibration damper. We saw the same thing with eDead v² line of products.Sure it&#039;s butyl, but it isn&#039;t a vibration damper. Either this guy doesn&#039;t know anything about how these products are supposed to work or he is intentionally trying to confuse people into believing this product is something it isn&#039;t. Don&#039;t be fooled.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rudy, post: 5906858, member: 568035"] I doubt that. Gray adhesive, plastic release layer. I'd guess it is some sort of butyl material, but that is a far cry from being a useful sound deadener. The claims made on the MegaMat page are extraordinary. First of all, the guy who owns FatMat bought it less than a year ago, so claims of what "we" did over the years are a little bit weak. This has been a good thing in the sense that this guy actually ships the product in a timely fashion - unlike the original owners who often took months to ship or just never bothered. Of course it hasn't been a good thing since he's still selling FatMat as a sound deadener. The statement about companies claiming their products were butyl when they weren't applies both to the original and current owners of FatMat. The guy is bashing other companies for doing what he has done himself. Try to follow the logic of this statement: Butyl IS an expensive raw material. That being the case, it's going to cost more in finished form. Unless he is planning on losing money on every package sold his statement is absurd. Since his statement is absolute we have to conclude that either his product isn't butyl or he is selling it a ridiculous price. A few more interesting points: These would all be application specific using a product that performed well. It isn't magic. The best vibration damper in the world won't do that. To what extent? All of the claims this guy makes can be quantified - but why bother when unconstrained marketing hype works so well? Great Installation? What does that mean? Did he mean to say: "Great insulation"? If so, no it's not. Prove it. Referencing a patent without a patent refernece is ridiculous. Being a "shield" is at the very bottom of the list of things the foil does on a true CLD. Being flexible is the last thing you want in a CLD I can almost guarantee you that the spec'ing for this product went like this: "My customers are complaining about me selling asphalt. Give me the cheapest material I can say is butyl". That's not how you end up with a vibration damper. We saw the same thing with eDead v² line of products.Sure it's butyl, but it isn't a vibration damper. Either this guy doesn't know anything about how these products are supposed to work or he is intentionally trying to confuse people into believing this product is something it isn't. Don't be fooled. [/QUOTE]

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