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Message: <blockquote data-quote="audiolife" data-source="post: 5654056" data-attributes="member: 541383">Geee I guess back in the day when people didn't have Ebay and there were more people by a wide margin going to the shows they must have gotten all their stuff for free? Most guys in the mid 90's that were "sponsored" were sponsored through their shop. I would bet as eventually being one of those guys I still paid more than dealer cost. Which was fine by me I was getting a better deal. 30 odd first place trophies from single point IASCA and other shows, top 4 at SBN, top 2 at Midwest Nationals was not good enough to get a full on factory sponsorship from the equipment I used. I didn't get mad as other people they sponsored had BIGGER RESUME`S and they probably had longer relations than they did with me.How many cars competed at finals back in the 90's and early 2000's compared to now? If you try and tell me that it has grown you need a reality check. Later I was also a manufacturers rep for 7 companies in my state. Every company that I repped for that sponsored or partially sponsored competitors paid dues to the competition bodies. They had booths at the shows and even some had labels on the product boxes that had "Member of IASCA" or USACI and DB Drag memory serves me correct MECA as well.I wonder where the comp scene would be at if there were no support by manufactures to the actual body you are competing in (especially in the early days!)? Do you think more manufacturer support lends to the types of venues where the contests will be held? The booths and the special events that help draw spectators to the show and gives the competitors something to do and possibly have fun? Do you think the amount of manufacturer support doesn't have a role in how much your entry fees for a contest might be? Manufacturer support helps the org. So why should a company that doesn't support the very place they are getting advertising results from use the org for free that others help pay for? Some orgs had a sticker black out for companies that wouldn't or didn't pay a $250 supporting fee. I don't know about you but I am no big company, I don't even work for a company, and if I was asked to swing $250 bucks to allow me to advertise and support I am sure I could find a way to swing it. Some people complained to others it didn't matter. Comes down to this, a manufacturer has 2 responsibilities to the sport, the org and it's competitors. If companies are using the competition for promotion there is no way you can get around it. Frankly I would be more worried my sponsor wouldn't or couldn't come up with the $250. What price do competitors pay to compete? Big shows are what $50-$100? How expensive is finals to enter? You have entry fees why shouldn't the company wanting to throw banners up all over and make a presence at the show not have to pay? Were these manufactures even at USACI finals to lend support?Did you guys complaining about the costs of your stuff get approached by Kinetik or did you go to them? Did other companies seek you out or did you go to them? What resume` did you have to present them? Did they know you? Did you try to get to know them? Is this a real question of that is the way it is? Who you are? or maybe just maybe about HOW you go about things in a correct manner? I competed on and off for 3 or 4 years and placed the highest in my class at 2 national events for the amplifiers I used. I still didn't get special treatment or free amps. Hell if it was not for the shop I went to I still would not have had a good discount...and I would bet $ had we had ebay back then I would have had a much sweeter deal going off line but I still would buy from a shop.Ever think some people pay retail or close to retail from an actual local shop? What do you think runs through their minds seeing people whining in the wide open over paying a price lower than the non competitors did and wanting more off? These are the same people who as sponsored competitors you are trying to impress to buy product and get the word out to. Almost seems like most of you are trying to say everyone should get the best competitor deal regardless if you compete or not. If not why spout off about it on a public forum?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Its also not like anyone that was on this board ever bought product with a competition discount that was below retail cost and then turned around and sold it for profit:wow:. If a company actually has dealers (more than a handful per state) they would try to protect from that wouldn't they? I mean until they had at least a real time working relationship with the new competitor. Who ends up really flipping the bill for competitors in the end? Consumers maybe?</blockquote>

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