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<blockquote data-quote="DanWiggins" data-source="post: 588361" data-attributes="member: 544847"><p><em>Audioholic posted:</em></p><p></p><p>Cost of living has a lot to do with it, of course. However, why not buy a Zapco amp, rather than a JBL BP1200.1? Price. The Zapco is entirely made in the USA; the JBL is made in China. There's a reason JBL probably sold 100 1200.1s for every Zapco sold... Consumers do shop by price!</p><p><em>Warbleed posted:</em></p><p></p><p>EXACTLY. I probably blew off too hard, but it really irks me when people talk about outsourcing as a bad thing. Heck, if I hadn't start CAC, I couldn't have hired John, Scott, or Shea. Three new jobs created in the US that would NOT have existed if I didn't start CAC.</p><p><em>Jack Frost posted:</em></p><p></p><p>1999 Ford Ranger - built in Louisville, KY</p><p></p><p>2001 Ford Taurus - built in Chicago, IL</p><p></p><p>1963 Mercury Comet - built in Los Angeles, CA</p><p></p><p>Some are made in Mexico or Canada; most are made in the US.</p><p></p><p><em>Audioholic posted:</em></p><p></p><p>Thank you. That is my take on it too. You use the labor force that is best suited for the job. In this case, engineering/technical in the US, most assembly/parts in South America. Some assembly will be done in the US, too; just most of the "straightforward" stuff done down there.</p><p><em>Idiot posted:</em></p><p></p><p>Actually, there aren't any government policies that offer tax breaks for overseas operations. None. This is a big lie perpetrated by the Democratic party and labor unions. There are actually tax LIABILITIES for implementing overseas.</p><p>Labor unions are a large part of it. I've met with steel foundry workers from South Korea and from the US. Guess what? The South Korean earns TWICE what the US individual does. Of course, he sits in an air conditioned office overseeing 4 fully automated forges; the US foundries each have 6 guys working each manually operated forge. And as a result it is cheaper to mine the ore here, ship to South Korea, refine, forge, and ship back to the US, by 50% or more.</p><p></p><p>The reason we can't automate much of the steel (or other strongly unionized industries) market is because of the labor unions. Yes, they would lose 75% of their members. But with the stance they take now, we're going to lose 100%...</p><p></p><p>It's also due to what the US considers the minimum standard of living. In most developed countries (EU members, etc) houses are smaller, there are fewer TVs, fewer microwaves, etc. The cost of product is higher. Including car stereo. We expect - in fact economically demand - more for our dollar, and accumulate much more as well. This is not inherently bad! But it can be blinding to the economics that flow from such decisions.</p><p>I know this isn't a popular topic, but based on my 12 years of selling equipment here and abroad the US consumer is hyper-sensitive to price. Products that will sell fine in Germany, Japan, Italy, Australia, New Zealand, etc. will fail in the US, simply because of price. The American consumer expects a LOT more for their dollar than most consumers world-wide, and will 99 times out of 100 vote with their pocketbook. This is true not only in consumer electronics (like car stereo), but high end scientific systems, contract design work, etc.</p><p></p><p>Again, Idiot, this is not directed at you, just general statements about economic realities. Now, please do NOT think I am criticizing the US consumer! Absolutely not. Inherently there is nothing wrong with expecting more for your money. But to - at the same time - complain about the loss of lower wage US jobs to overseas markets really shows to me a fundamental lack of understanding about basic economics. It's like a person going to the $0.99 cent window at Wendy's, ordering burgers for all their friends, and decrying the low wages paid to fry cooks...</p><p></p><p>Oh, and 500%? More models. Number produced will be much higher...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif</p><p></p><p>Dan Wiggins</p><p></p><p>Adire Audio</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DanWiggins, post: 588361, member: 544847"] [I]Audioholic posted:[/I] Cost of living has a lot to do with it, of course. However, why not buy a Zapco amp, rather than a JBL BP1200.1? Price. The Zapco is entirely made in the USA; the JBL is made in China. There's a reason JBL probably sold 100 1200.1s for every Zapco sold... Consumers do shop by price! [I]Warbleed posted:[/I] EXACTLY. I probably blew off too hard, but it really irks me when people talk about outsourcing as a bad thing. Heck, if I hadn't start CAC, I couldn't have hired John, Scott, or Shea. Three new jobs created in the US that would NOT have existed if I didn't start CAC. [I]Jack Frost posted:[/I] 1999 Ford Ranger - built in Louisville, KY 2001 Ford Taurus - built in Chicago, IL 1963 Mercury Comet - built in Los Angeles, CA Some are made in Mexico or Canada; most are made in the US. [I]Audioholic posted:[/I] Thank you. That is my take on it too. You use the labor force that is best suited for the job. In this case, engineering/technical in the US, most assembly/parts in South America. Some assembly will be done in the US, too; just most of the "straightforward" stuff done down there. [I]Idiot posted:[/I] Actually, there aren't any government policies that offer tax breaks for overseas operations. None. This is a big lie perpetrated by the Democratic party and labor unions. There are actually tax LIABILITIES for implementing overseas. Labor unions are a large part of it. I've met with steel foundry workers from South Korea and from the US. Guess what? The South Korean earns TWICE what the US individual does. Of course, he sits in an air conditioned office overseeing 4 fully automated forges; the US foundries each have 6 guys working each manually operated forge. And as a result it is cheaper to mine the ore here, ship to South Korea, refine, forge, and ship back to the US, by 50% or more. The reason we can't automate much of the steel (or other strongly unionized industries) market is because of the labor unions. Yes, they would lose 75% of their members. But with the stance they take now, we're going to lose 100%... It's also due to what the US considers the minimum standard of living. In most developed countries (EU members, etc) houses are smaller, there are fewer TVs, fewer microwaves, etc. The cost of product is higher. Including car stereo. We expect - in fact economically demand - more for our dollar, and accumulate much more as well. This is not inherently bad! But it can be blinding to the economics that flow from such decisions. I know this isn't a popular topic, but based on my 12 years of selling equipment here and abroad the US consumer is hyper-sensitive to price. Products that will sell fine in Germany, Japan, Italy, Australia, New Zealand, etc. will fail in the US, simply because of price. The American consumer expects a LOT more for their dollar than most consumers world-wide, and will 99 times out of 100 vote with their pocketbook. This is true not only in consumer electronics (like car stereo), but high end scientific systems, contract design work, etc. Again, Idiot, this is not directed at you, just general statements about economic realities. Now, please do NOT think I am criticizing the US consumer! Absolutely not. Inherently there is nothing wrong with expecting more for your money. But to - at the same time - complain about the loss of lower wage US jobs to overseas markets really shows to me a fundamental lack of understanding about basic economics. It's like a person going to the $0.99 cent window at Wendy's, ordering burgers for all their friends, and decrying the low wages paid to fry cooks... Oh, and 500%? More models. Number produced will be much higher...[IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif[/IMG] Dan Wiggins Adire Audio [/QUOTE]
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