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<blockquote data-quote="T3mpest" data-source="post: 7010054" data-attributes="member: 560148">H701 has a standard 31 band eq per driver, which really isnt&#039; enough in a car.&nbsp; yeah, you can make&nbsp; good sounding car with one, but untimately the response isn&#039;t &quot;that good&quot;.&nbsp; Far from what you would get in a home even remotely, not enough processing to counter the room issues.&nbsp; The&nbsp; parametric can&#039;t even be overlapped with it and saved as a setting.&nbsp; Anyway,&nbsp; Look at a usmoothed response of a speaker, it&#039;s VERY rough in a car.&nbsp; Hundreds of dips and peaks sometimes big ones, like twenty in between even 2 points you can adjust on a 32 bander.&nbsp; You can ballpark flatish if you use a low resolution measurement using 32 bands on every speaker, but that&#039;s it.&nbsp; 32 bands became popular as early science said that&#039;s the resolution we hear in, modern tests say otherwise.&nbsp; The MS-8 literally does hand HUNDREDS of EQ bands.&nbsp; The MS-8 uses very good software to measure the response and can clean it up very easily using all those bands and it&#039;s processing power.&nbsp; Once it builds to flat by using it&#039;s very advanced EQ system (much more than you could easily adjust by hand and even measuring with an RTA would still take days to to tune it that flat) for each speaker you get a 32 band to control the entire stereo (you dont&#039; need seperate controls for each speaker as MS-8 gets them all F/R matched ahead of time).&nbsp; This allows you to cater it to your tastes, the overall tonality of they system.&nbsp; If you boost the sub it&#039;ll even adjust phase and crossover points, etc to match your boosted bass request but keep the bass upfront.&nbsp;&nbsp; It sounds like your not very fimilar with the MS-8 and what it can do.&nbsp; I&#039;m very fimiliar with the h701, I&#039;ve had it for years.&nbsp; 1980&#039;s pro audio converted to 12 volt.&nbsp; MS-8 is like the home processor Audessey except even newer, more features, and on proverbial steroids as it was designed to fix car issues, not room which is usually less.Also the MS-8 has one mic input, but the &quot;mic&quot; isn&#039;t a standard omni mic that you put on a stand, with you not in the car, or not comforably and natrually as you woudl sit anyway.&nbsp; That&#039;s and the fact they are onmi is why RTA often doesn&#039;t work well in a car.&nbsp; The mic pics up sounds technically not where either ear, just the spatial aveage of the space between with even reflections that would normally be blocked by your head being counted in.&nbsp;&nbsp; The MS-8&#039;s mic is a set of heaphones you wear on your head.&nbsp; One mic on each ear that point out to pick up the exact response at your ears position, with your head related transfer function, foot placement, etc all in tact and calculated in.&nbsp; You look to the left mirror, right mirror and straigt ahead.&nbsp; It actually uses this to get a spacial average of those three points so your car keeps tonality even as you head moves.&nbsp; It can even balance a stage between 2 seats if you want and make the best compromise for both driver and passengers.As I also said you get true center channel as it decouples left and right and attentuates them properly if you tell the car you have a center.&nbsp; Not just on 5.1, but actual 2 channel music decoded, it uses logic 7, very advanced vs the very old 5.1 style stuff.&nbsp; It&#039;ll also auto tune rears to add spatial depth to the recording by putting out of phase stuff in the mix out of time to mimic reflections and what not.&nbsp; H701 does neither and certainly won&#039;t automaticaly do it all for you.&nbsp; The MS-8 auto tunes as good as most pro&#039;s with&nbsp; several h701&#039;s and ALOT of time could do and it&#039;ll do it in 10 minutes after start up.&nbsp; Even then you&#039;d be lacking features vs a MS-8.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="T3mpest, post: 7010054, member: 560148"] H701 has a standard 31 band eq per driver, which really isnt' enough in a car. yeah, you can make good sounding car with one, but untimately the response isn't "that good". Far from what you would get in a home even remotely, not enough processing to counter the room issues. The parametric can't even be overlapped with it and saved as a setting. Anyway, Look at a usmoothed response of a speaker, it's VERY rough in a car. Hundreds of dips and peaks sometimes big ones, like twenty in between even 2 points you can adjust on a 32 bander. You can ballpark flatish if you use a low resolution measurement using 32 bands on every speaker, but that's it. 32 bands became popular as early science said that's the resolution we hear in, modern tests say otherwise. The MS-8 literally does hand HUNDREDS of EQ bands. The MS-8 uses very good software to measure the response and can clean it up very easily using all those bands and it's processing power. Once it builds to flat by using it's very advanced EQ system (much more than you could easily adjust by hand and even measuring with an RTA would still take days to to tune it that flat) for each speaker you get a 32 band to control the entire stereo (you dont' need seperate controls for each speaker as MS-8 gets them all F/R matched ahead of time). This allows you to cater it to your tastes, the overall tonality of they system. If you boost the sub it'll even adjust phase and crossover points, etc to match your boosted bass request but keep the bass upfront. It sounds like your not very fimilar with the MS-8 and what it can do. I'm very fimiliar with the h701, I've had it for years. 1980's pro audio converted to 12 volt. MS-8 is like the home processor Audessey except even newer, more features, and on proverbial steroids as it was designed to fix car issues, not room which is usually less. Also the MS-8 has one mic input, but the "mic" isn't a standard omni mic that you put on a stand, with you not in the car, or not comforably and natrually as you woudl sit anyway. That's and the fact they are onmi is why RTA often doesn't work well in a car. The mic pics up sounds technically not where either ear, just the spatial aveage of the space between with even reflections that would normally be blocked by your head being counted in. The MS-8's mic is a set of heaphones you wear on your head. One mic on each ear that point out to pick up the exact response at your ears position, with your head related transfer function, foot placement, etc all in tact and calculated in. You look to the left mirror, right mirror and straigt ahead. It actually uses this to get a spacial average of those three points so your car keeps tonality even as you head moves. It can even balance a stage between 2 seats if you want and make the best compromise for both driver and passengers. As I also said you get true center channel as it decouples left and right and attentuates them properly if you tell the car you have a center. Not just on 5.1, but actual 2 channel music decoded, it uses logic 7, very advanced vs the very old 5.1 style stuff. It'll also auto tune rears to add spatial depth to the recording by putting out of phase stuff in the mix out of time to mimic reflections and what not. H701 does neither and certainly won't automaticaly do it all for you. The MS-8 auto tunes as good as most pro's with several h701's and ALOT of time could do and it'll do it in 10 minutes after start up. Even then you'd be lacking features vs a MS-8. [/QUOTE]

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