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<blockquote data-quote="hispls" data-source="post: 8652385" data-attributes="member: 614752"><p>I'm not. Apart from the fact that it's something not off-the-shelf for once, those meme drivers have absolutely nothing to offer besides mechanical power handling for the sake of power handling. IMO there is absolutely no need for giving up so much piston area and adding all that mass for any application that could be remotely considered musical and for the most part it's useless for true SPL applications except for probably a few very unusual exceptions.</p><p></p><p>I had a friend up here that was running Zv3 12s on Atomic 5K in a high-ish tuned box, doing about 151.3 to 151.5. BUT he would play material way below tuning and those cones would fail, more specifically the surrounds would rip at the edge of the cone. We tried to fix this with stacking 4 and 5 spiders (I think stock option was 3) but he would break them too. So when those new parts first came out I got some of those cones and 10" spiders and used some spare Ti frames.</p><p></p><p>Well that solved his issue with breaking subs but he lost down to 150.1. The point being, if he had simply used a subsonic filter, built a lower tuned box, or just dialed down the volume a click he would have been at the same level of output without having to spend 150$ a sub in meme parts. I broke a lot of those Zv2 and Zv3 12" surrounds but never from anything besides abuse.</p><p></p><p>Again, do the math yourself and see how much actual output that extra excursion buys you, not much and in the real world you lose that and then some with inefficiency.</p><p></p><p>It's nice that the consumer market is basically just people who will pay to show off big power ratings numbers and post youtube videos of their sub flapping wildly as they're playing below where their port unloads , but as far as anything truly useful I'm still waiting. I had a pair of LMS4000's for a bit and in a proper box (tuned mid 20hz) I couldn't bottom them out on a Stetsom 7K.</p><p></p><p>I'll definitely start a thread and keep people updated when the LTO cells get here.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Manly P. Hall's "Secret Teachings of All Ages" could be considered the difinitive primer on the subject of ancient mystery religions as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hispls, post: 8652385, member: 614752"] I'm not. Apart from the fact that it's something not off-the-shelf for once, those meme drivers have absolutely nothing to offer besides mechanical power handling for the sake of power handling. IMO there is absolutely no need for giving up so much piston area and adding all that mass for any application that could be remotely considered musical and for the most part it's useless for true SPL applications except for probably a few very unusual exceptions. I had a friend up here that was running Zv3 12s on Atomic 5K in a high-ish tuned box, doing about 151.3 to 151.5. BUT he would play material way below tuning and those cones would fail, more specifically the surrounds would rip at the edge of the cone. We tried to fix this with stacking 4 and 5 spiders (I think stock option was 3) but he would break them too. So when those new parts first came out I got some of those cones and 10" spiders and used some spare Ti frames. Well that solved his issue with breaking subs but he lost down to 150.1. The point being, if he had simply used a subsonic filter, built a lower tuned box, or just dialed down the volume a click he would have been at the same level of output without having to spend 150$ a sub in meme parts. I broke a lot of those Zv2 and Zv3 12" surrounds but never from anything besides abuse. Again, do the math yourself and see how much actual output that extra excursion buys you, not much and in the real world you lose that and then some with inefficiency. It's nice that the consumer market is basically just people who will pay to show off big power ratings numbers and post youtube videos of their sub flapping wildly as they're playing below where their port unloads , but as far as anything truly useful I'm still waiting. I had a pair of LMS4000's for a bit and in a proper box (tuned mid 20hz) I couldn't bottom them out on a Stetsom 7K. I'll definitely start a thread and keep people updated when the LTO cells get here. Manly P. Hall's "Secret Teachings of All Ages" could be considered the difinitive primer on the subject of ancient mystery religions as well. [/QUOTE]
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