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<blockquote data-quote="ciaonzo" data-source="post: 8651217" data-attributes="member: 607015"><p>There's some truth to that. And I would second that motion when suggesting subwoofers to most others, but not for myself. When you have heard the very lowest distortion drivers do their thing and have lived with them for an extended period of time, then try to go back other drivers, it's at that point when it becomes very obvious the different types of distortion that were present in the other drivers all along. But you're right, it is hard to hear for some, and if we hear it we just don't mind it as much. And as you said, not stressing it mechanically is a key factor. But I would reserve those qualifiers for normal motor drivers like the Shiva and Tempest, not a linear BL motor driver like the Brahma. That is a true low distortion platform that deserves some refinement. </p><p>I will admit that I've been incredibly spoiled and/or ruined by low distortion drivers, I just can't stand the sound of many normal offerings now. Doesn't matter if it's a subwoofer or a tweeter. I can hear the difference. My biggest hangups are mechanical noise or turbulence of any kind, IM distortion, and odd order non-linearity. If a driver is not well behaved in the upper registers during large excursion from the lower registers, it doesn't stick around in my systems. The distortion is not always obvious and just ends up being this sort of hash that doesn't allow the inner details to come out. Or, it can create a really obvious "talking into a fan" sound, lol. These designs simply can't cope with dynamics unless you double up or quadruple up on them to reduce the excursion, and that gets expensive. I like single drivers to do the job so they need to be low distortion designs. All it takes is soft parts that remain quiet and allow the motor to run out of steam before they begin to make dynamic braking noises of their own, in conjunction with low inductance approaches from sleeves or rings with smaller mass coils and maybe a tighter gap. And this stuff is everywhere now, it's not like you need to pay through the nose anymore to get it. Just no excuse to deal with any type of distortion from drivers. And certainly no reason to pay any kind of premium price for any driver that doesn't offer these features.</p><p></p><p>I'll leave it alone because I'm coming off the wrong way and I really am excited that Adire is back in the game. But please don't fault me if I hold my breath for a better offering from them before putting my money down. I just can't regress back into a 12 spoke frame and foam surrounds, lol.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ciaonzo, post: 8651217, member: 607015"] There's some truth to that. And I would second that motion when suggesting subwoofers to most others, but not for myself. When you have heard the very lowest distortion drivers do their thing and have lived with them for an extended period of time, then try to go back other drivers, it's at that point when it becomes very obvious the different types of distortion that were present in the other drivers all along. But you're right, it is hard to hear for some, and if we hear it we just don't mind it as much. And as you said, not stressing it mechanically is a key factor. But I would reserve those qualifiers for normal motor drivers like the Shiva and Tempest, not a linear BL motor driver like the Brahma. That is a true low distortion platform that deserves some refinement. I will admit that I've been incredibly spoiled and/or ruined by low distortion drivers, I just can't stand the sound of many normal offerings now. Doesn't matter if it's a subwoofer or a tweeter. I can hear the difference. My biggest hangups are mechanical noise or turbulence of any kind, IM distortion, and odd order non-linearity. If a driver is not well behaved in the upper registers during large excursion from the lower registers, it doesn't stick around in my systems. The distortion is not always obvious and just ends up being this sort of hash that doesn't allow the inner details to come out. Or, it can create a really obvious "talking into a fan" sound, lol. These designs simply can't cope with dynamics unless you double up or quadruple up on them to reduce the excursion, and that gets expensive. I like single drivers to do the job so they need to be low distortion designs. All it takes is soft parts that remain quiet and allow the motor to run out of steam before they begin to make dynamic braking noises of their own, in conjunction with low inductance approaches from sleeves or rings with smaller mass coils and maybe a tighter gap. And this stuff is everywhere now, it's not like you need to pay through the nose anymore to get it. Just no excuse to deal with any type of distortion from drivers. And certainly no reason to pay any kind of premium price for any driver that doesn't offer these features. I'll leave it alone because I'm coming off the wrong way and I really am excited that Adire is back in the game. But please don't fault me if I hold my breath for a better offering from them before putting my money down. I just can't regress back into a 12 spoke frame and foam surrounds, lol. [/QUOTE]
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