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<blockquote data-quote="ciaonzo" data-source="post: 8651042" data-attributes="member: 607015"><p>I hear you. It's not so much the gain in dB that a person like me is concerned with, just the perceived sonic signature of the driver remaining a bit cleaner because the smaller parts are not pulling tight by the time you are really starting to hammer on the driver a bit. Though, in all fairness, you eventually arrive at the same point with the larger parts. Just better behavior as the driver is being asked to get a little louder. All in the context of dynamic musical enjoyment, mind you. </p><p>No, I may have misstated something. I'm not looking for anything more than that. But that is what I'm looking for with an XBL motor and at the price point New Adire is attempting. No dated or standard parts is all I'm driving at. That's all. I think it's fair to expect more than that for a premium price. </p><p>Yeah, no getting around failure with his approach. I think the glue joint would have pulled apart if a rubber surround would have held, lol.</p><p></p><p>There's actually quite a few examples to give for other companies using that profile surround, whether it's rubber or foam. Rockford T1/T2, Image Dynamics, NVX, American Bass, Memphis, ... There's a few others. No big deal, just saying. It's the work-around to eating up cone area as you pointed out. I imagine it also helps prevent a few warranty claims here and there but that's a guess. </p><p>I couldn't agree more and I'm realizing that I'm coming off as ungrateful for the whole return of Adire thing. That's not my intent and I'm excited about it. I don't need fancy and I certainly don't want them to end up looking like toys as many of these other drivers have. I just want things like shorting rings and oversized parts that offer lower distortion and higher mechanical reliability, and I want it at a price that doesn't insult my intelligence. There's no denying the motor is the heart of the product and there's not much competition for linear BL out there these days, so they have that going for them. But I think they are insulting people by offering that motor <strong>today</strong> with parts platforms from <strong>yesterday</strong> and charging that much. They are needlessly limiting that beautiful motor and imposing unnecessary mechanical distortion under real-world dynamic conditions, and it may very well be at the risk of some loss to the company linked to relatively high warranty claims, because we all know people are going to buy this SQ driver and torture it to get the most output possible from it. And the Shiva/Tempest drivers? Forget about it. Those are unnecessary offerings, dated vanilla. Look at the prices on those things, all based on the Adire brand name. </p><p>End of the day, I think it would have been an incredibly successful approach to offer this awesome gem that is the traditional Brahma for a price that just blows people's minds. Perhaps a year long celebratory reintroduction price of around $300-$325 for any size, I dunno. They would sell like proverbial hotcakes and this revenue would pave the way for the driver that I, and many others, are envisioning. I mean for the price they are currently asking for a 15" Brahma, I am going to buy the 15" beast that Peerless/Tymphany is offering at $470. I guarantee it will outperform the Brahma.</p><p></p><p>Tell me you wouldn't go nuts over a revised Tumult with something like the Ti basket and quality spiders that are compliant and quiet for the utmost in musical reproduction. The audible gains are subjectively lower distortion, not really for the meter. It doesn't need to be overly fancy, keep a nice stiff paper cone with a modern surround that doesn't eat up too much of the Sd but can cope with the dynamic excursion extremes that we would all dish out, and offer a nice looking dust cap. Just something that looks and feels classic from the front, but 'round back is all business and commands respect for the suggested performance potential. This new Tumult beast may even be a 4" coil, who knows. One can dream.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ciaonzo, post: 8651042, member: 607015"] I hear you. It's not so much the gain in dB that a person like me is concerned with, just the perceived sonic signature of the driver remaining a bit cleaner because the smaller parts are not pulling tight by the time you are really starting to hammer on the driver a bit. Though, in all fairness, you eventually arrive at the same point with the larger parts. Just better behavior as the driver is being asked to get a little louder. All in the context of dynamic musical enjoyment, mind you. No, I may have misstated something. I'm not looking for anything more than that. But that is what I'm looking for with an XBL motor and at the price point New Adire is attempting. No dated or standard parts is all I'm driving at. That's all. I think it's fair to expect more than that for a premium price. Yeah, no getting around failure with his approach. I think the glue joint would have pulled apart if a rubber surround would have held, lol. There's actually quite a few examples to give for other companies using that profile surround, whether it's rubber or foam. Rockford T1/T2, Image Dynamics, NVX, American Bass, Memphis, ... There's a few others. No big deal, just saying. It's the work-around to eating up cone area as you pointed out. I imagine it also helps prevent a few warranty claims here and there but that's a guess. I couldn't agree more and I'm realizing that I'm coming off as ungrateful for the whole return of Adire thing. That's not my intent and I'm excited about it. I don't need fancy and I certainly don't want them to end up looking like toys as many of these other drivers have. I just want things like shorting rings and oversized parts that offer lower distortion and higher mechanical reliability, and I want it at a price that doesn't insult my intelligence. There's no denying the motor is the heart of the product and there's not much competition for linear BL out there these days, so they have that going for them. But I think they are insulting people by offering that motor [B]today[/B] with parts platforms from [B]yesterday[/B] and charging that much. They are needlessly limiting that beautiful motor and imposing unnecessary mechanical distortion under real-world dynamic conditions, and it may very well be at the risk of some loss to the company linked to relatively high warranty claims, because we all know people are going to buy this SQ driver and torture it to get the most output possible from it. And the Shiva/Tempest drivers? Forget about it. Those are unnecessary offerings, dated vanilla. Look at the prices on those things, all based on the Adire brand name. End of the day, I think it would have been an incredibly successful approach to offer this awesome gem that is the traditional Brahma for a price that just blows people's minds. Perhaps a year long celebratory reintroduction price of around $300-$325 for any size, I dunno. They would sell like proverbial hotcakes and this revenue would pave the way for the driver that I, and many others, are envisioning. I mean for the price they are currently asking for a 15" Brahma, I am going to buy the 15" beast that Peerless/Tymphany is offering at $470. I guarantee it will outperform the Brahma. Tell me you wouldn't go nuts over a revised Tumult with something like the Ti basket and quality spiders that are compliant and quiet for the utmost in musical reproduction. The audible gains are subjectively lower distortion, not really for the meter. It doesn't need to be overly fancy, keep a nice stiff paper cone with a modern surround that doesn't eat up too much of the Sd but can cope with the dynamic excursion extremes that we would all dish out, and offer a nice looking dust cap. Just something that looks and feels classic from the front, but 'round back is all business and commands respect for the suggested performance potential. This new Tumult beast may even be a 4" coil, who knows. One can dream. [/QUOTE]
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