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<blockquote data-quote="ciaonzo" data-source="post: 8650987" data-attributes="member: 607015"><p>Those new Shiva and Tempest are cheap drivers, no matter who is making them. They just don't surpass the Dayton HO/HF or similar drivers in any way and so, should not be priced any differently. $300 for a 15" with a very normal and underwhelming motor, paper cone, foam surround and plastic dust cap? No thank you. </p><p>You may be right, though. This a personal preference and by this point there may not be enough like me left to drive the market in that direction. I get giddy when I hear my TC's dropping into subterranean territory without a hint of mechanical noise or any other type of distortion and much of that is owed to those oversized parts, aside from the low distortion motors. But that's my point, it allows those motors to reach their full potential. Why cap the overall dynamic performance with parts that start pulling tight and making mechanical and harmonic noise long before the motor is producing any distortion? The biggest advantage I have noticed with rubber surrounds and larger spiders is far less mechanical distortion/distress and a better overall sonic signature because of that. This is a good thing for me since I tend to pull heavy from the excursion side of things more than the thermal, whether I go sealed or vented. Not to mention the mechanical run-out is increased by quite a large margin and comes in handy in a scenario where any unexpected large amplitude dynamics come along. This could mean the difference between simply reducing the volume and carrying on, or replacing a driver for a torn spider/surround. Look how many times Thorshammer taped the torn foam surrounds on his DC 10s. Not too many rubber surrounds suffering that same fate. They mostly fall prey to bad aim with the screw gun, lol. And the almost completely negligible difference in sensitivity between foam and rubber surrounds is not enough to ever convince me to buy a foam surround again, they simply fail too often from the sun, fatigue and abuse that we all dish out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ciaonzo, post: 8650987, member: 607015"] Those new Shiva and Tempest are cheap drivers, no matter who is making them. They just don't surpass the Dayton HO/HF or similar drivers in any way and so, should not be priced any differently. $300 for a 15" with a very normal and underwhelming motor, paper cone, foam surround and plastic dust cap? No thank you. You may be right, though. This a personal preference and by this point there may not be enough like me left to drive the market in that direction. I get giddy when I hear my TC's dropping into subterranean territory without a hint of mechanical noise or any other type of distortion and much of that is owed to those oversized parts, aside from the low distortion motors. But that's my point, it allows those motors to reach their full potential. Why cap the overall dynamic performance with parts that start pulling tight and making mechanical and harmonic noise long before the motor is producing any distortion? The biggest advantage I have noticed with rubber surrounds and larger spiders is far less mechanical distortion/distress and a better overall sonic signature because of that. This is a good thing for me since I tend to pull heavy from the excursion side of things more than the thermal, whether I go sealed or vented. Not to mention the mechanical run-out is increased by quite a large margin and comes in handy in a scenario where any unexpected large amplitude dynamics come along. This could mean the difference between simply reducing the volume and carrying on, or replacing a driver for a torn spider/surround. Look how many times Thorshammer taped the torn foam surrounds on his DC 10s. Not too many rubber surrounds suffering that same fate. They mostly fall prey to bad aim with the screw gun, lol. And the almost completely negligible difference in sensitivity between foam and rubber surrounds is not enough to ever convince me to buy a foam surround again, they simply fail too often from the sun, fatigue and abuse that we all dish out. [/QUOTE]
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