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<blockquote data-quote="hispls" data-source="post: 8650978" data-attributes="member: 614752">Atomic still makes some nice drivers but they are not budget priced by a long shot.Eminence does not build woofers cheap.&nbsp; Equivalent of TC9 would cost over 200$ per piece.&nbsp;&nbsp; Bear in mind they said that motor was a prototype so hopefully the retail model will at least be pretty.&nbsp; As far as spiders, cones, tinsels, surrounds, I&#039;m not entirely sold on needing anything fancy for most applications.&nbsp; None of that is typically a weak link in and of itself that&#039;ll prevent a sub from functioning well or giving you a solid 10+ years of service.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you&#039;re trying to build a 1200W driver that sounds really good none of that fancy stuff is necessary.IMO there is little to be gained by more excursion at this point since you&#039;re almost always limited thermally.&nbsp; Standard 12 spoke frame works for almost all applications, TI or LA Storm frame give a bit extra which is still plenty.&nbsp;&nbsp; The cost of exotic spiders and custom tooled surrounds is absolutely not worth it when it only adds inefficiency for the sake of d!ck measuring.&nbsp; None of these super excursion meme woofers are any good nor will they ever be.Tell me why you think you&#039;d need another 10mm excursion on top of a Ti frame and I&#039;ll tell you why it&#039;s not the best way to accomplish your goals.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you&#039;re talking about playing sub 20hz and that&#039;s something people really &quot;need&quot; out of a small package perhaps it&#039;s time to revisit rotary transducers like the old PG ones.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hispls, post: 8650978, member: 614752"] Atomic still makes some nice drivers but they are not budget priced by a long shot. Eminence does not build woofers cheap. Equivalent of TC9 would cost over 200$ per piece. Bear in mind they said that motor was a prototype so hopefully the retail model will at least be pretty. As far as spiders, cones, tinsels, surrounds, I'm not entirely sold on needing anything fancy for most applications. None of that is typically a weak link in and of itself that'll prevent a sub from functioning well or giving you a solid 10+ years of service. If you're trying to build a 1200W driver that sounds really good none of that fancy stuff is necessary. IMO there is little to be gained by more excursion at this point since you're almost always limited thermally. Standard 12 spoke frame works for almost all applications, TI or LA Storm frame give a bit extra which is still plenty. The cost of exotic spiders and custom tooled surrounds is absolutely not worth it when it only adds inefficiency for the sake of d!ck measuring. None of these super excursion meme woofers are any good nor will they ever be. Tell me why you think you'd need another 10mm excursion on top of a Ti frame and I'll tell you why it's not the best way to accomplish your goals. If you're talking about playing sub 20hz and that's something people really "need" out of a small package perhaps it's time to revisit rotary transducers like the old PG ones. [/QUOTE]

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