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<blockquote data-quote="Bluedevil" data-source="post: 2792825" data-attributes="member: 575169">I don&#039;t want to hijack the meaning of this forum, but since I have a captive audience...&nbsp; //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gifMy feeling was that Eclipse deck would have been better served with external amps, but I though the 14w RMS was like a truer sense of actual power than what you get from even the most robust HU.&nbsp; But if you say that Pioneer puts out nearly 50% more power, then that is good enough for me.&nbsp; I had a Pioneer deck some 10 years ago, but it was junk. I made the move to Alpine 7 years ago or so and have been happy with their HU&#039;s, but I read a lot on here supporting Pioneer (including the speakers you guys suggest).Has the seas of quality products shifted again and now Pioneer has amped up their product line after several years back then when they were junk? If so, does the Premier designation mean anything? I was looking in the 180-250 range for a deck...Again a lot of apologies for hijacking this to talk about decks for the speakers I originally asked about.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bluedevil, post: 2792825, member: 575169"] I don't want to hijack the meaning of this forum, but since I have a captive audience... [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif[/IMG] My feeling was that Eclipse deck would have been better served with external amps, but I though the 14w RMS was like a truer sense of actual power than what you get from even the most robust HU. But if you say that Pioneer puts out nearly 50% more power, then that is good enough for me. I had a Pioneer deck some 10 years ago, but it was junk. I made the move to Alpine 7 years ago or so and have been happy with their HU's, but I read a lot on here supporting Pioneer (including the speakers you guys suggest). Has the seas of quality products shifted again and now Pioneer has amped up their product line after several years back then when they were junk? If so, does the Premier designation mean anything? I was looking in the 180-250 range for a deck... Again a lot of apologies for hijacking this to talk about decks for the speakers I originally asked about. [/QUOTE]

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