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<blockquote data-quote="Gary S" data-source="post: 2904078" data-attributes="member: 568291">- That&#039;s a half-truth... IB for the average 6&quot; midbass driver equates to little more than a bigger sealed box if you look at the box simulations. Plus, sealed boxes are very forgiving... exact air space is overrated.- Another half-truth... in most cases, this is correct... usually they just glass around the back of the mid to the magnet... it ends up being a glorified closed back midrange with no air space... and no midbass. But if you can go into the factory steel kick or the floor and use that air space, not only can you get midbass, but better imaging and soundstage. Speaker placement is a big issue that too many people overlook.- That sounds similar to the old argument that you can get better sound in the home than the car, so why even bother with the car at all, it&#039;s a waste of time.Take a couple of test boxes with a pair of high resolution mids... one in each box... line one box with at least one-inch thick foam rubber, leave the other raw... then listen to the difference between the two boxes.With all that said, I have to admit, the way door and kick panel installs are traditionally done, Helotaxi is right... in the real world, in most cases, you will have more midbass in a typical door installation than kicks.... but the key word there is &quot;typical&quot;. Even though I am playing devils&#039; advocate and arguing the fine details, you can&#039;t go wrong with his advice... it&#039;s some of the best I have seen on this board.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gary S, post: 2904078, member: 568291"] - That's a half-truth... IB for the average 6" midbass driver equates to little more than a bigger sealed box if you look at the box simulations. Plus, sealed boxes are very forgiving... exact air space is overrated. - Another half-truth... in most cases, this is correct... usually they just glass around the back of the mid to the magnet... it ends up being a glorified closed back midrange with no air space... and no midbass. But if you can go into the factory steel kick or the floor and use that air space, not only can you get midbass, but better imaging and soundstage. Speaker placement is a big issue that too many people overlook. - That sounds similar to the old argument that you can get better sound in the home than the car, so why even bother with the car at all, it's a waste of time. Take a couple of test boxes with a pair of high resolution mids... one in each box... line one box with at least one-inch thick foam rubber, leave the other raw... then listen to the difference between the two boxes. With all that said, I have to admit, the way door and kick panel installs are traditionally done, Helotaxi is right... in the real world, in most cases, you will have more midbass in a typical door installation than kicks.... but the key word there is "typical". Even though I am playing devils' advocate and arguing the fine details, you can't go wrong with his advice... it's some of the best I have seen on this board. [/QUOTE]

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