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<blockquote data-quote="Here-I-Come" data-source="post: 4692051" data-attributes="member: 572320"><p>So are you say you need time alignment to have a good sounding system. Don't get me wrong I totally understand your point, but I think we are getting a little deep for what he is asking, but I could be wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not sure where this statement came from, but your are correct. But once again we are off topic of what he asked. Believe I have built more then my few cars with kicks, door and dash/apillar mount speakers for competition and daily drivers and all of the position have their down falls and positive points, and as you know it goes a lot deeper then just dropping speakers in Kick panels or in the dash to get correct imaging and staging and still have good tonal quality.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree once more, but once more we are not talking about Kick panels, He want s to use the factory location he has. Reflection can be use to your advantage if you aim be correctly, but as you said to is a whole other can of worms, and IMO is just a little to deep for what he ask. I just think to say it is a waste is just a bit of a strong statement. I will challenge anyone to say I could make the car sound very good with the 880 using mounting location he asked about and with or without time alignment. I will not be prefect in no way, but it will be better then most. I done it in a few cars, the ones that pop in my head is a Jeep Grand Cherokee 95 and a 90 something Chevy/GMC pickup. And both of these trucks sound very good not prefect, but better then 75% of the system you hear on the street. Yes kicks and other things would have made the systems better, but they didn't want custom work. Would they have been better if I had time alignment to play with, Yes, but is it necessary to have good sound, No. I don't consider put tweeters in doors and in the a-pillars custom if the a-pillars and big enough to mount the tweeters. Neither of them is going to win any comps, but the owners was more then happy.</p><p></p><p>Honestly would I have done it this way if it was my cars, more the likely not, but for my wife yes, shes not as picky as I'm, but likes good sound and I about to do something very close to the same thing in her 95 Grand Cherokee use a Eclipse 8053. The only thing I doing different is moving the tweeters to the a-pillars and the mids are going in the stock location the factory tweeters come in the dash at the edge of the dash next to the a-pillar. I have been playing with it for about a week now testing it and with just drop them in the location with cardboard as a baffle it sounds good, not very good or great, but it will get better once I have the 8053 and make real baffle for them and mount the tweeters in and aim them.</p><p></p><p>So just saying it is a waste is a bit strong to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree this is better, if time alignment is a must. On the crossover, If I'm understanding you correctly, If you use just a 2 way crossover for the midranges and tweeters with the highpass from the 880 and the midbasses active from bandpass the 880 you shouldn't have a problem. With ether set-up I say, if it is possible move the tweeters to the a-pillars to get them a little closer to the midrange in the dash and then just time align the midbass to the midrange.</p><p></p><p>But squeak9798 that is some good info you put out man!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Here-I-Come, post: 4692051, member: 572320"] So are you say you need time alignment to have a good sounding system. Don't get me wrong I totally understand your point, but I think we are getting a little deep for what he is asking, but I could be wrong. Not sure where this statement came from, but your are correct. But once again we are off topic of what he asked. Believe I have built more then my few cars with kicks, door and dash/apillar mount speakers for competition and daily drivers and all of the position have their down falls and positive points, and as you know it goes a lot deeper then just dropping speakers in Kick panels or in the dash to get correct imaging and staging and still have good tonal quality. I agree once more, but once more we are not talking about Kick panels, He want s to use the factory location he has. Reflection can be use to your advantage if you aim be correctly, but as you said to is a whole other can of worms, and IMO is just a little to deep for what he ask. I just think to say it is a waste is just a bit of a strong statement. I will challenge anyone to say I could make the car sound very good with the 880 using mounting location he asked about and with or without time alignment. I will not be prefect in no way, but it will be better then most. I done it in a few cars, the ones that pop in my head is a Jeep Grand Cherokee 95 and a 90 something Chevy/GMC pickup. And both of these trucks sound very good not prefect, but better then 75% of the system you hear on the street. Yes kicks and other things would have made the systems better, but they didn't want custom work. Would they have been better if I had time alignment to play with, Yes, but is it necessary to have good sound, No. I don't consider put tweeters in doors and in the a-pillars custom if the a-pillars and big enough to mount the tweeters. Neither of them is going to win any comps, but the owners was more then happy. Honestly would I have done it this way if it was my cars, more the likely not, but for my wife yes, shes not as picky as I'm, but likes good sound and I about to do something very close to the same thing in her 95 Grand Cherokee use a Eclipse 8053. The only thing I doing different is moving the tweeters to the a-pillars and the mids are going in the stock location the factory tweeters come in the dash at the edge of the dash next to the a-pillar. I have been playing with it for about a week now testing it and with just drop them in the location with cardboard as a baffle it sounds good, not very good or great, but it will get better once I have the 8053 and make real baffle for them and mount the tweeters in and aim them. So just saying it is a waste is a bit strong to me. I agree this is better, if time alignment is a must. On the crossover, If I'm understanding you correctly, If you use just a 2 way crossover for the midranges and tweeters with the highpass from the 880 and the midbasses active from bandpass the 880 you shouldn't have a problem. With ether set-up I say, if it is possible move the tweeters to the a-pillars to get them a little closer to the midrange in the dash and then just time align the midbass to the midrange. But squeak9798 that is some good info you put out man! [/QUOTE]
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