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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 6537691" data-attributes="member: 549629"><p>I agree the govt should be secretive about sensitive material regarding a war. Protection of our troops, and protection of our plans/movements, if for no other reason. but there is a difference between being secretive for such noble reasons, and handing out false reasons to gain artificial support for an agenda we dont actually know. Im not even saying that is the case, Im merely mentioning speculation that obvious permeates these discussions on this topic. In fact, I believe our politicians give out too much sensitive info many times, again simply to garner false support from the population and further their own agenda. But if they say 'we are here because of this'... the this part of that statement better be true.</p><p></p><p>As for American's using more oil than any other nation, is that still true? I know China is gaining fast. And keep in mind, that statistic is a bit misleading, as the U.S. (less so every day, but still) makes products that support many other countries in the world. Its impossible to expect one of the world's leaders in production to maintain less oil usage than a nation who imports said products rather than make them themselves. Also, being that the U.S. is the second largest single country based economy in the world, it stands to reason we would maintain one of the highest oil usages in the world. Are we wasteful? Of course. But countries like Iran or even France, whom use less but produce less world marketed goods, really should consider what their own country and lives would be like if the U.S.'s industrial machine did not exist. We, the United States, tend to take lumps for oil usage, but get precious little credit for our attempts to clean up our industrial production. Does China put the complex and expensive scrubbers on the smoke stacks in the factories? Do they have an OSHA that maintains worker's rights? Do they have strict pollution laws that govern the production process of even their largest manufacturers? In each case, the answer is no. Can we do better? yes. But do we get enough credit for what we DO do? Not imo. (not aimed at your comments, just ranting here)</p><p></p><p>Cheers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 6537691, member: 549629"] I agree the govt should be secretive about sensitive material regarding a war. Protection of our troops, and protection of our plans/movements, if for no other reason. but there is a difference between being secretive for such noble reasons, and handing out false reasons to gain artificial support for an agenda we dont actually know. Im not even saying that is the case, Im merely mentioning speculation that obvious permeates these discussions on this topic. In fact, I believe our politicians give out too much sensitive info many times, again simply to garner false support from the population and further their own agenda. But if they say 'we are here because of this'... the this part of that statement better be true. As for American's using more oil than any other nation, is that still true? I know China is gaining fast. And keep in mind, that statistic is a bit misleading, as the U.S. (less so every day, but still) makes products that support many other countries in the world. Its impossible to expect one of the world's leaders in production to maintain less oil usage than a nation who imports said products rather than make them themselves. Also, being that the U.S. is the second largest single country based economy in the world, it stands to reason we would maintain one of the highest oil usages in the world. Are we wasteful? Of course. But countries like Iran or even France, whom use less but produce less world marketed goods, really should consider what their own country and lives would be like if the U.S.'s industrial machine did not exist. We, the United States, tend to take lumps for oil usage, but get precious little credit for our attempts to clean up our industrial production. Does China put the complex and expensive scrubbers on the smoke stacks in the factories? Do they have an OSHA that maintains worker's rights? Do they have strict pollution laws that govern the production process of even their largest manufacturers? In each case, the answer is no. Can we do better? yes. But do we get enough credit for what we DO do? Not imo. (not aimed at your comments, just ranting here) Cheers. [/QUOTE]
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