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2018 Wrangler JL- Upgrading from JL Audio 8" microsub
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<blockquote data-quote="Jeffdachef" data-source="post: 8676701" data-attributes="member: 650438"><p>Sounds like a giant JL nut hugger there to say a dayton ho 10 on 1000 watts wont come close to a puny micro sub on 250 watts LOL. I've heard both the dayton and w6 many times and the JL is DEFINITELY NOT worth almost 5x the price of the dayton. Funny how he only looked at the Xmax and literally nothing else thats important as well. A 10w6 is 82.7 db sensitivity and the FS is 30hz with an xmax of 19mm. A dayton ho 10 is 90.5 DB sensitivity and the FS is 27hz with an xmax of 13.25mm. The dayton will technically play deeper and the extra 7.8 db sensitivity(how loud the sub gets off of each watt of power you give it) negates whatever advantages the 6.75 mm of xmax the JL had over it, the output is going to be pretty dead even and from personal experience hearing both subs, they are pretty dead even in output, well I listed an SPL graph based on speak electromechanical parameters (hard numbers that literally tells you what the speaker does based on its overall design and engineering Not sure if your "audiophile" buddy knows anything about this lmao) with 600 watts put to each, the w10 is yellow and the dayton is purple so you can see the difference. Also by his logic For the same money I can get a sub with 36mm of Xmax plus an amp for the same price of a W6 that will absolute blow it away displacement wise. however Xmax is not the only thing you pay attention to when choosing a sub.</p><p></p><p>When you look at the electromechanical parameters. Both their Efficiency Bandwidth Product values are 55.2 with the dayton HO Dual voice coil 10 and 55.5 with the w6 literally dead even in terms of sealed/ported configuration flexibility and optimum enclosure size When you graph it out on WINISD (program that projects frequency response along with possible starting SPL/group delay(how accurate your sub will be) and excursion at specific frequencies, they literally are almost identical in frequency response. </p><p></p><p>I dont blame your friend, When i was still sorta fresh in car audio i was a JL audio nut hugger too. However I've discovered real sound quality over the years and real spl as well through competitions on both sides and the "throwing money at it" approach is the last approach i'd ever do again.</p><p></p><p>Also a basic install of a 4 channel amp and 5.25 speakers with mdf adapters and a braindead LOC with factory de-equalization doesnt make you an audiophile. When he Analyzes the acoustics of your car down to the shape of the dash, distance from the roof, possible glass reflections and down to the seat fabrics then chooses drivers to match your vehicle acoustics perfection then does some fiberglassed A pillar mids and tweets with dedicated midbass either in the doors or kicks with a 6 channel amp with ideal crossover points, and slopes to have all drivers blend perfectly together on a full blown 8 channel processor fully tuned EQ with a Real time Analyzer, time aligned and phase corrected to where you have perfect wide sound staging at eye level, precise imaging and tonality along with creating a perfect sound quality box like either a 1/4 wave transmission line or Infinite baffle setup for perfect subwoofer response based on the sub's parameters and the vehicle acoustics is when someone is a real audiophile.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]5661[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]5663[/ATTACH]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeffdachef, post: 8676701, member: 650438"] Sounds like a giant JL nut hugger there to say a dayton ho 10 on 1000 watts wont come close to a puny micro sub on 250 watts LOL. I've heard both the dayton and w6 many times and the JL is DEFINITELY NOT worth almost 5x the price of the dayton. Funny how he only looked at the Xmax and literally nothing else thats important as well. A 10w6 is 82.7 db sensitivity and the FS is 30hz with an xmax of 19mm. A dayton ho 10 is 90.5 DB sensitivity and the FS is 27hz with an xmax of 13.25mm. The dayton will technically play deeper and the extra 7.8 db sensitivity(how loud the sub gets off of each watt of power you give it) negates whatever advantages the 6.75 mm of xmax the JL had over it, the output is going to be pretty dead even and from personal experience hearing both subs, they are pretty dead even in output, well I listed an SPL graph based on speak electromechanical parameters (hard numbers that literally tells you what the speaker does based on its overall design and engineering Not sure if your "audiophile" buddy knows anything about this lmao) with 600 watts put to each, the w10 is yellow and the dayton is purple so you can see the difference. Also by his logic For the same money I can get a sub with 36mm of Xmax plus an amp for the same price of a W6 that will absolute blow it away displacement wise. however Xmax is not the only thing you pay attention to when choosing a sub. When you look at the electromechanical parameters. Both their Efficiency Bandwidth Product values are 55.2 with the dayton HO Dual voice coil 10 and 55.5 with the w6 literally dead even in terms of sealed/ported configuration flexibility and optimum enclosure size When you graph it out on WINISD (program that projects frequency response along with possible starting SPL/group delay(how accurate your sub will be) and excursion at specific frequencies, they literally are almost identical in frequency response. I dont blame your friend, When i was still sorta fresh in car audio i was a JL audio nut hugger too. However I've discovered real sound quality over the years and real spl as well through competitions on both sides and the "throwing money at it" approach is the last approach i'd ever do again. Also a basic install of a 4 channel amp and 5.25 speakers with mdf adapters and a braindead LOC with factory de-equalization doesnt make you an audiophile. When he Analyzes the acoustics of your car down to the shape of the dash, distance from the roof, possible glass reflections and down to the seat fabrics then chooses drivers to match your vehicle acoustics perfection then does some fiberglassed A pillar mids and tweets with dedicated midbass either in the doors or kicks with a 6 channel amp with ideal crossover points, and slopes to have all drivers blend perfectly together on a full blown 8 channel processor fully tuned EQ with a Real time Analyzer, time aligned and phase corrected to where you have perfect wide sound staging at eye level, precise imaging and tonality along with creating a perfect sound quality box like either a 1/4 wave transmission line or Infinite baffle setup for perfect subwoofer response based on the sub's parameters and the vehicle acoustics is when someone is a real audiophile. [ATTACH]5661._xfImport[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]5663._xfImport[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]
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