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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I’m just speaking from my experience. There isn’t a “we know or we determine” this information. You aren’t Anubis, so you can’t weigh the heart of someone to determine their path in the afterlife. The energy status of the soul is ultimately physics, where an individual chooses how he or she builds the soul. The raw expression of the soul is largely outside of our perception/dimension, but anyone can think on or judge others by their actions, albeit with relatively limited information of the whole picture. How you grow your soul determines where physics will allow you to be placed within the universe and its dimensions; heavy/dark souls have trouble flying/leaving their position. As far as I know, there’s no technology that humanity uses that can even begin to measure this; like I say, most of this exists outside of our perception/dimension.

Outside of our perception, but within your perception.

 

[djdilliodon!]

Clinical death is loss of vital function. Brain death follows.
People have been clinically dead, but revived before brain death occurred.
Like heart stoppage that is restarted after other measures kept oxygen and blood going to the brain.
Or, in extreme cases by things like drowning in very cold water that put the body into a “stasis” and the vital functions later restarted.
The record for such an event was a 2 y.o. who was submerged for 66 minutes. Her brain did not die and she made a full recovery after they were able to restore heartbeat.

Yes, clinical death and brain death mean two different things.

Clinical death- death as judged by the medical observation of cessation of vital functions. It is typically identified with the cessation of heartbeat and respiration, though modern resuscitation methods and life-support systems have required the introduction of the alternative concept of brain death
vital functions– processes or actions of the body on which life is directly dependent

Brain death - the irreversible loss of all functions of the brain, including the brainstem. The three essential findings in brain death are coma, absence of brainstem reflexes, and apnoea.

Is it safe to assume (of course it depends on how it occurs brain death) that a brain without oxygen for 4-6 minutes could be dead and at 10 min is definitely dead, that a person is dead? If they are dead and do come back after that period of time, did they indeed die? We can’t really say if they were dead since we didn’t have machines hooked up to them to measure but does it still would count or no?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

How so, if we already exist in the higher dimension?

I don't think we exist on the higher plains. You can take an ayahuasca or DMT trip and maybe pay a short visit, but then its back to this shythole. Obviously there is a small percentage of us blessed enough to exist in the higher dimensions, make sense of it and come back to rescue us from this lowly existence.

 

[Firewalker]

He'll never get it or understand it buck. Going back centuries this stuff has been talked about and experienced by tons of people.

There have been instances djdilliodon of people being declared dead at a hospital only to come back alive out of nowhere in a morgue anywhere from a day or even a few days later. Old Neighbor was a Funeral Director. Worked for a big company out of Chicago so big he was the director for Harry Carey's funeral. I remember me and him talking about that happening to him a couple times right before they were getting ready to prep the body. Crazy things can happen to your body.

But once they sh!t themselves from doing cpr it's done and over with. Yes you can crack ribs while performing cpr. Seen it happen but every one that ended up sh!tting themselves were gone and DOA upon arrival at the hospital.

Next thing ya know he will say he can assess a medical situation or fire situation better the someone with a bunch of experience because he googled it or watched chicago fire or backdraft or that fire country or w/e it is on cbs. I will say out of all of them chicago fire does a good job with realism. And as someone who experienced a backdraft during training at fire school...it is wicked to say the least one reason why I have a mark down the middle of my back because I was stupid and wanted to see it with my eyes,lol. Instead of being hunched over like everyone else in class. Cost me a fire dept helmet doing that. Just glad it wasn't my 400 dollar New Yorker that I had paid for.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Is it safe to assume (of course it depends on how it occurs brain death) that a brain without oxygen for 4-6 minutes could be dead and at 10 min is definitely dead, that a person is dead? If they are dead and do come back after that period of time, did they indeed die? We can’t really say if they were dead since we didn’t have machines hooked up to them to measure but does it still would count or no?

If the brain dies first, the vital functions follow as there is nothing to “tell” them to keep working. I think they know of an approximate timeframe where the brain can survive clinical death unharmed, and when the potential for irreversible damage occurs.

But, medical science says that once the brain activity ceases, it’s game over. There is no known record of a brain firing back up and restarting the vital functions.

Yes, that doesn’t speak to it happening spontaneously without being recorded in some way, but given how the body works (see above), it’s pretty much impossible.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

He'll never get it or understand it buck. Going back centuries this stuff has been talked about and experienced by tons of people.

There have been instances djdilliodon of people being declared dead at a hospital only to come back alive out of nowhere in a morgue anywhere from a day or even a few days later. Old Neighbor was a Funeral Director. Worked for a big company out of Chicago so big he was the director for Harry Carey's funeral. I remember me and him talking about that happening to him a couple times right before they were getting ready to prep the body. Crazy things can happen to your body.

But once they sh!t themselves from doing cpr it's done and over with. Yes you can crack ribs while performing cpr. Seen it happen but every one that ended up sh!tting themselves were gone and DOA upon arrival at the hospital.

Next thing ya know he will say he can assess a medical situation or fire situation better the someone with a bunch of experience because he googled it or watched chicago fire or backdraft or that fire country or w/e it is on cbs. I will say out of all of them chicago fire does a good job with realism. And as someone who experienced a backdraft during training at fire school...it is wicked to say the least one reason why I have a mark down the middle of my back because I was stupid and wanted to see it with my eyes,lol. Instead of being hunched over like everyone else in class. Cost me a fire dept helmet doing that. Just glad it wasn't my 400 dollar New Yorker that I had paid for.

Yet you said that it was common (recommended) to give up when the patient shit themselves.

I asked why they would recommend that when chest compressions could keep blood going to the brain in the hopes that they could use life support at the hospital, and maybe restore vital function.
I don’t think you answered.

How does being hunched over save you in a backdraft? Does it keep you below the flames? I thought a backdraft was like all of the airspace “exploding” in flame as the gases filling it suddenly combust.
(Movie memory).

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

So you're saying it gets worse than this? Worse than world where "everybody" lives paycheck to paycheck, they continually launch bioweapons against us and inject everybody with a vaccine that rewrites our DNA.

Yes. Don’t get me wrong, this place is low on the totem pole, but, yes, unfortunately, there are conscious experiences worse than this. There’s much, much more above than below from where we are.

Outside of our perception, but within your perception.

Idk who experiences what. I don’t make the rules, nor can I help what I am

I don't think we exist on the higher plains. You can take an ayahuasca or DMT trip and maybe pay a short visit, but then its back to this shythole. Obviously there is a small percentage of us blessed enough to exist in the higher dimensions, make sense of it and come back to rescue us from this lowly existence.

Not everyone exists in higher planes/dimensions, but some do. Some exist in lower dimensions. It’s not a blessing to exist in higher dimensions; it’s a result of a lot of hard work and hard choices in many different situations.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

He'll never get it or understand it buck. Going back centuries this stuff has been talked about and experienced by tons of people.

It has. If humanity studied the ancients more, they’d understand more about what they are and how this world came to develop as it is now.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Religion and all of the rest of this stuff is smart in that they demand belief without proof. To get proof, you need to die.
And the dead tell no tales so if it’s BS, no one will ever know.
Just hand over your tithings.

“Stay out of the lake kids, or the monster will eat you.”
“Prove there is a monster. We’ve never seen it.”
“That’s because you haven’t gone in and been killed by it. That’s the only way to see it.”
What a great scam.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It has. If humanity studied the ancients more, they’d understand more about what they are and how this world came to develop as it is now.

The ancients (hell, some currents) think natural phenomena are an angry god exacting punishment upon us.

They might not be the best source of proof for unverifiable events like astral projection, or the existence of a god or gods.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Religion and all of the rest of this stuff is smart in that they demand belief without proof. To get proof, you need to die.
And the dead tell no tales so if it’s BS, no one will ever know.
Just hand over your tithings.

“Stay out of the lake kids, or the monster will eat you.”
“Prove there is a monster. We’ve never seen it.”
“That’s because you haven’t gone in and been killed by it. That’s the only way to see it.”
What a great scam.

Whose talking about religion but you? Seeing is believing, so who made you blind?

 

[Firewalker]

No not all of air around you "explodes" in a backdraft. They don't do a full on backdraft that would be beyond stupid. They do a much smaller controlled one at fire college. You can cause a backdraft at a fire just from smashing something open and letting air in. You always check the door if it is even a little warm you back away and vent the roof. You don't go smashing windows or doors as that is just asking for the flashover, seen that happen on a scene a couple times. Lat time I saw it, it was someone who shouldn't have been allowed near the fire (daddy was one of the local cops) and played that card from day one. He wouldn't listen yeah he kicked in a door and it flashed on him. Thankfully it just knocked him down and way over his head. But it could have been much worse as the fire really hadn't gotten going yet. Another instance of me yanking his *** out of the way and telling him to stay away and let the guys with experience move in first. But he had the attitude of "my daddy is a cop I can do what I want".

You learn from day one in ANY type of fire the ground is the safest and best place to be. You never go in standing straight up if there is any fire showing. If it is going really good you crawl or half-crawl to do a quick S&R as fast as possible to save whoever is in there while also making sure you don't kill or hurt yourself or you team members. Once a fire starts going to the point certain color smoke shows up you pull the plug and back out and sadly sometimes people die and you have to live with that your whole life. Thankfully on a fire that never happened to me. Car wrecks and ambulances yeah happened to me a lot. I still have dreams about calls. I can still picture some of their faces and always will. But you learn to push past it and move on. If you can't have a short memory in that line of work you have no business being in it period.

Baloney once they do that they are gone. Yes technology has advanced since then and that has helped a LOT. But no once that happens with no pulse or even one close to registering on a AED which yes you can tell by how it sounds and from the LCD panels, patient is gone. Yes you will still continue to ventilate and do chest compressions but no the chances of it working are not there once they let loose so to speak. Not a single EMT and I know a LOT of them have disagreed with that statement. Probably know close to at least 150 of them during my time, a ton of nurses including my own family which includes my cousin's husband. who is a Trauma MD. Me and him have discussed this before in the past and he agreed once they are at that point its pointless. You do what I said and of course continue till you get to the hospital but once there its a DOA situation.

What I will say is Portable AED's have saved a lot of lives these days. Thankfully the costs are down and even high school sports stadiums and courts have them in place at all times. Some schools have 3-4 of them located throughout the school. Bronny James just suffered Cardiac Arrest and it was a AED nearby that saved his life. Shocked his heart back into rhythm and stable enough to get him to the hospital. Back in the '90s that stuff didn't happen. The technology wasn't there and the costs were astronomical for those devices.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Yes. Don’t get me wrong, this place is low on the totem pole, but, yes, unfortunately, there are conscious experiences worse than this. There’s much, much more above than below from where we are.


Idk who experiences what. I don’t make the rules, nor can I help what I am


Not everyone exists in higher planes/dimensions, but some do. Some exist in lower dimensions. It’s not a blessing to exist in higher dimensions; it’s a result of a lot of hard work and hard choices in many different situations.

Unfortunately, the only "guidebooks" to ascending to a higher form of existence are the religions, who are the "bad guys," so I guess we're just screwed.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Unfortunately, the only "guidebooks" to ascending to a higher form of existence are the religions, who are the "bad guys," so I guess we're just screwed.

How do you distinguish history from religion? Have you ever studied ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]