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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

You never fully died, then.

Yes, I did, because I completely left my body, went into another dimension made of pure energy and was told I was dead by forces you don’t understand. I’m shortening this story, because it was actually all quite a process and very intense, and I’m not going to talk about how I accidentally killed myself. I was conscious the whole time, I remember getting tunnel vision, until my vision blacked out and I face-planted from body failure and died, then I started experiencing the other side immediately, as I was pulled out of my body, as what happens to everyone who dies. I was allowed to come back into my body, but I don’t want to talk about why or how. I will say I’m alive because there are things much more powerful in the universe than what we think of from our normal, matrix-like lives here.

What you and everyone will hopefully come to understand is that a human body isn’t what you are, but the human body is simply an organic machine avatar for what you are. Your mind is in between your temples, in the same way you walk into a temple and can walk back out of it and remain the same fundamental being. It’s very simple, actually; your consciousness (aka you) is actually a pure energetic entity (like a plasma form, non-material, no atoms or molecules) that exists with or without physical form, and you’re just plugged into a human body to experience Earth within this limited dimension. Nobody actually ever dies, you just gain and lose your organic machine body that connects you to this human reality over the process of your life here. It works the same for all other physical bodies in universe, too

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Haha snap back to reality

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Yes, I did, because I completely left my body, went into another dimension made of pure energy and was told I was dead by forces you don’t understand. I’m shortening this story, because it was actually all quite a process and very intense, and I’m not going to talk about how I accidentally killed myself. I was conscious the whole time, I remember getting tunnel vision, until my vision blacked out and I face-planted from body failure and died, then I started experiencing the other side immediately, as I was pulled out of my body, as what happens to everyone who dies. I was allowed to come back into my body, but I don’t want to talk about why or how. I will say I’m alive because there are things much more powerful in the universe than what we think of from our normal, matrix-like lives here.

What you and everyone will hopefully come to understand is that a human body isn’t what you are, but the human body is simply an organic machine avatar for what you are. Your mind is in between your temples, in the same way you walk into a temple and can walk back out of it and remain the same fundamental being. It’s very simple, actually; your consciousness (aka you) is actually a pure energetic entity (like a plasma form, non-material, no atoms or molecules) that exists with or without physical form, and you’re just plugged into a human body to experience Earth within this limited dimension. Nobody actually ever dies, you just gain and lose your organic machine body that connects you to this human reality over the process of your life here. It works the same for all other physical bodies in universe, too

I get all that. It has happened to thousands (tens of thousands?) of people. What I'm saying is that you never fully died, as in having all electrical impulses in your brain cease to fire. THAT is fully dead. Heart stoppage? Coma? Not dead.
Not dead until the brain dies.

If you FULLY died and came back, then we can talk about the "other side". But if your synapses were still firing, then you experienced the same thing a person does when sleeping. Some people call it a dream, others "sleep thought", etc.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I get all that. It has happened to thousands (tens of thousands?) of people. What I'm saying is that you never fully died, as in having all electrical impulses in your brain cease to fire. THAT is fully dead. Heart stoppage? Coma? Not dead.
Not dead until the brain dies.

If you FULLY died and came back, then we can talk about the "other side". But if your synapses were still firing, then you experienced the same thing a person does when sleeping. Some people call it a dream, others "sleep thought", etc.

Rob, I’m an extremely heavy dreamer when I sleep, and I’ve also done DMT heavy enough to go to those places where people meet and talk to entities. There is actually science projects to map the DMT realms using AI, fyi. I do understand your point, which is a fair point, but when you die, you’ll know it. Dying is nothing like a DMT or any other kind of trip. I’m not going to get into how my brain and body was restarted after it shut off, but I died. I fully recognize how ridiculous what I’m saying might sound to someone who hasn’t been through an event like that before, which is what I usually expect as a reaction from most people.

I don’t think you remotely “get all of that,” because if you did, you wouldn’t act the way you do towards others. With that being said, use your own judgement for you own life’s path, and just recognize what you do in this life is also what you’re doing in what people would call the afterlife. What you do in this life becomes a part of you forever, so make the best of it.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Rob, I’m an extremely heavy dreamer when I sleep, and I’ve also done DMT heavy enough to go to those places where people meet and talk to entities. There is actually science projects to map the DMT realms using AI, fyi. I do understand your point, which is a fair point, but when you die, you’ll know it. Dying is nothing like a DMT or any other kind of trip. I’m not going to get into how my brain and body was restarted after it shut off, but I died. I fully recognize how ridiculous what I’m saying might sound to someone who hasn’t been through an event like that before, which is what I usually expect as a reaction from most people.

I don’t think you remotely “get all of that,” because if you did, you wouldn’t act the way you do towards others. With that being said, use your own judgement for you own life’s path, and just recognize what you do in this life is also what you’re doing in what people would call the afterlife. What you do in this life becomes a part of you forever, so make the best of it.

Let's stick to the science, if we may.
Are you saying that your body experienced full brain death and then was revived?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Let's stick to the science, if we may.
Are you saying that your body experienced full brain death and then was revived?

Notice you're ignoring clinical death...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Notice you're ignoring clinical death...

No, I'm not.
Clinical death is not brain death. Brain death is considered full death because there is no coming back.
Clinical death occurs without brain death all the time, and you CAN come back from it. The brain can survive a good while after clinical death. The brain where all our thoughts occur.
There is no record of anyone ever coming back form a full brain death.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

No, I'm not.
Clinical death is not brain death. Brain death is considered full death because there is no coming back.
Clinical death occurs without brain death all the time, and you CAN come back from it. The brain can survive a good while after clinical death. The brain where all our thoughts occur.
There is no record of anyone ever coming back form a full brain death.

Your thoughts occur, whether you have a brain or not. Your brain is like an antenna that absorbs your thoughts. That’s why you have less brain electrical activity when you’re asleep, because you’re not fully inside of your brain.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Your thoughts occur, whether you have a brain or not. Your brain is like an antenna that absorbs your thoughts. That’s why you have less brain electrical activity when you’re asleep, because you’re not fully inside of your brain.

But now we're back in the spiritual realm, operating on beliefs instead of science and facts.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

No, I'm not.
Clinical death is not brain death. Brain death is considered full death because there is no coming back.
Clinical death occurs without brain death all the time, and you CAN come back from it. The brain can survive a good while after clinical death. The brain where all our thoughts occur.
There is no record of anyone ever coming back form a full brain death.

So medical science got it wrong calling it death then...good thing you know better...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So medical science got it wrong calling it death then...good thing you know better...

YOU jumped to the clinical death thing. HERE are the definitions:

Clinical death- death as judged by the medical observation of cessation of vital functions. It is typically identified with the cessation of heartbeat and respiration, though modern resuscitation methods and life-support systems have required the introduction of the alternative concept of brain death
vital functions– processes or actions of the body on which life is directly dependent

Brain death - the irreversible loss of all functions of the brain, including the brainstem. The three essential findings in brain death are coma, absence of brainstem reflexes, and apnoea.

"Death" is generally considered the complete cessation of all function. Then we dispose of the body. Hence why they also talk of "clinical death" and "brain death".

So, do you have any info on someone who was pronounced brain dead and recovered?

 

[djdilliodon!]

It’s abc news so take this with a grain of salt (yes I’m just being a d!ck)

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

But now we're back in the spiritual realm, operating on beliefs instead of science and facts.

Wrong. Science has proven that there’s many other dimensions, so, you just don’t know what you’re talking about, yet again. It’s laughable that you think human science can explain everything in the universe.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

YOU jumped to the clinical death thing. HERE are the definitions:

Clinical death- death as judged by the medical observation of cessation of vital functions. It is typically identified with the cessation of heartbeat and respiration, though modern resuscitation methods and life-support systems have required the introduction of the alternative concept of brain death
vital functions– processes or actions of the body on which life is directly dependent

Brain death - the irreversible loss of all functions of the brain, including the brainstem. The three essential findings in brain death are coma, absence of brainstem reflexes, and apnoea.

"Death" is generally considered the complete cessation of all function. Then we dispose of the body. Hence why they also talk of "clinical death" and "brain death".

So, do you have any info on someone who was pronounced brain dead and recovered?

No you jumped in with what you choose to be death so you could argue by telling buck he didn't die...

Considering there's 2 medical terms for death (and clinical death resuscitation isnt always successful)...you cherry picked just so you could argue and be "right"...especially since it's obvious which buck was referring to...but you go ahead and be "right"...it's obviously all you have in life...

 

[Firewalker]

There is multiple timelines or dimensions as you call them. Many people have experienced them in what science calls "Astro Travel or Astro Projection" during your sleep. But of course there is skeptics like anything else. Unless you have experienced it yourself you don't know for sure. But I'm sure someone here will say no or because science hasn't proven it or anything. However the practice and known origins of it goes back thousands of years. Many things over the years science claimed it wasn't real or this wouldn't work and time & time again they have been proven wrong. As we advance in technology this stuff will be proven right highly doubtful in our time but in the future most likely. Same with time travel as well.

Also there is proof that you do get reborn albeit into either a different race or *** sometimes. Perfect example is a friend of my mom's. His son started to ramble on about stuff he shouldn't know at 2-2.5 years old about cars. He started to name cars going back from the 1970s to the 1920s in the UK. Then he claimed he was this driver that had died in a crash around this year. Mom heard him on the phone explain all of this and saw the video of him saying all of it. Mom did a ton of research and found out everything this 2-2.5 year old kid who had never talked about cars before until he passed this one spot in the road was true. Lot's of examples out there of this happening. This was many years ago as he is now well into his teens but over time those children who have done stuff like this don't remember saying that stuff or saying their name they had before or what they did or were interested in. In this case he had raced cars as a hobby.

Also as a former EMT I saw people brought back from the dead as they flatlined on the table in the hospital or in the ambulance. Many came back saying they experienced exactly what Buck described. Some didn't but many did. As we would ask them as it fascinated many of us on the dept.

When someone is getting chest compressions and is truly gone they have been known to sh!t themselves at that point you stop chest compressions as there is no more point in trying. That is taught in any EMT class. Yes you still transport to the hospital but they will announce the patient as DOA when you get there.