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SQ: JL W7 vs. TC OEM10
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<blockquote data-quote="genxx" data-source="post: 3073103" data-attributes="member: 575023"><p>I said what I said because to me it seems if anyone in this thread disagreed with anything other than the W7 is the best then you let them know they where wrong.</p><p></p><p>Punk0Rama-Never said you did not have knowledge. Just trying to get you to give the guy some information to back up your statement. I prod you a little and look at some good answers you gave. Maybe I misunderstood you from the start.</p><p></p><p>I agree 100% with this statement-</p><p></p><p>Faraday rings don't make a great SQ sub. Low inductance with very little modulation is a step in the right direction, but Faraday rings in the wrong places can actually be a big negative detractor. I'd gradly sacrifice some inductance issues, particularly in a sub (why on earth are people so obsessed with these things?) for more linear BL. The rest of the things you outlined are all frequency response related and have as much to do with the enclosure as they do the sub!</p><p></p><p>BL Curve-Maybe the most important curve, since it's responsible for a majority of the distortion produced by a speaker. Because we want the speaker to produce an equal force in the positive and negative direction. Linearity I consider very important.</p><p></p><p>I will throw this in also-transient response is as how fast a speaker starts, and how fast it stops in reaction to a given input signal.</p><p></p><p>T/S parameters don't tell you anything about how a speaker is actually going to perform. But how it strange to see that manufactures are quick to post them. Would be better if they posted the Klippel graphs from testing. To bad we do not have the Klippel graphs to compare the performance of these two against each other.</p><p></p><p>Get the W7 its better. How does that help him. I am just trying to prod you to give him a little more information.</p><p></p><p>And I suppose now is your chance to do the same then, isn't it?</p><p></p><p>Ok I will-I like them both for different reasons.</p><p></p><p>They both have the ability get plenty loud. The JL to me rolls off a little early than TC. Both have good response, are snappy and controlled. I would say the JL has a little tighter response. The TC has a little better x-max. The TC will also work in a smaller enclosure. To me the JL is pickier with its enclosure and takes a little more work to get the most out of it.</p><p></p><p>My verdict-The JL and TC perform very close. I would give the TC the nod only due to price vs. performance. I would have no problem running either of these subs. They both are top performers. Its a pretty even comparison IMO.</p><p></p><p>I would say from reading reviews and comparison though the TC-9 is probably better than both of these. But I have not had the pleasure of owning one to test out yet.</p><p></p><p>I went with the TC as it fit my current install goals better and had the power on tap to run it.</p><p></p><p>I pose this question to you though have you owned both or is your opinion based soley on what you currently own and nothing else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="genxx, post: 3073103, member: 575023"] I said what I said because to me it seems if anyone in this thread disagreed with anything other than the W7 is the best then you let them know they where wrong. Punk0Rama-Never said you did not have knowledge. Just trying to get you to give the guy some information to back up your statement. I prod you a little and look at some good answers you gave. Maybe I misunderstood you from the start. I agree 100% with this statement- Faraday rings don't make a great SQ sub. Low inductance with very little modulation is a step in the right direction, but Faraday rings in the wrong places can actually be a big negative detractor. I'd gradly sacrifice some inductance issues, particularly in a sub (why on earth are people so obsessed with these things?) for more linear BL. The rest of the things you outlined are all frequency response related and have as much to do with the enclosure as they do the sub! BL Curve-Maybe the most important curve, since it's responsible for a majority of the distortion produced by a speaker. Because we want the speaker to produce an equal force in the positive and negative direction. Linearity I consider very important. I will throw this in also-transient response is as how fast a speaker starts, and how fast it stops in reaction to a given input signal. T/S parameters don't tell you anything about how a speaker is actually going to perform. But how it strange to see that manufactures are quick to post them. Would be better if they posted the Klippel graphs from testing. To bad we do not have the Klippel graphs to compare the performance of these two against each other. Get the W7 its better. How does that help him. I am just trying to prod you to give him a little more information. And I suppose now is your chance to do the same then, isn't it? Ok I will-I like them both for different reasons. They both have the ability get plenty loud. The JL to me rolls off a little early than TC. Both have good response, are snappy and controlled. I would say the JL has a little tighter response. The TC has a little better x-max. The TC will also work in a smaller enclosure. To me the JL is pickier with its enclosure and takes a little more work to get the most out of it. My verdict-The JL and TC perform very close. I would give the TC the nod only due to price vs. performance. I would have no problem running either of these subs. They both are top performers. Its a pretty even comparison IMO. I would say from reading reviews and comparison though the TC-9 is probably better than both of these. But I have not had the pleasure of owning one to test out yet. I went with the TC as it fit my current install goals better and had the power on tap to run it. I pose this question to you though have you owned both or is your opinion based soley on what you currently own and nothing else. [/QUOTE]
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