Not enough gain on the amp?

Franky

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I have a SAZ-3500D (not the newer one) and I tried to set the gain with a multimeter, but all I can do is max out the gain / bass / bass remote and put my head unit on 20 out of 35 (cause that's where the normal speakers start to sound like crap). Also I'm running (2) dual 2 ohm 12' HCCA's wired to 1 ohm and I don't remember the specific head unit, but it was about $250 made by Kenwood. So according to Ohm's Law, I should need need about 59 AC Volts, but with everything maxed out like I said before, I can only get it up to about 45 volts... I've had it totally maxed out for the passed couple of days, and I the subs seem totally fine, but will running the amp at max be ok for its health? And also is there some way that I can increase the gain a little more so I can reach my full potential?

Thanks in advance, and my system is finally operational so I might through up a build soon (Mazda 6 s)

 
your subs are dual 2 ohms. You can only wire it series parallel which results in 2 ohms final load and parallel wiring which gives it a .5 ohm load. either your having your amp run at 2 ohms and your subs arent getting the juice they crave or its something else. But do yourself a favor, lower your gains, it shouldn't be past 65%. Mind showing us a picture of your wiring and Amp settings?

 
Do you have a seperate sub control on your head unit? normal bass and treble settings are more than likely there but you should have a sub control on there. My Clarion has 0-14 sub control and I had mine on 12 when I set tuned my setup. Sounds great and tuned easy.

 
I have a SAZ-3500D (not the newer one) and I tried to set the gain with a multimeter, but all I can do is max out the gain / bass / bass remote and put my head unit on 20 out of 35 (cause that's where the normal speakers start to sound like crap). Also I'm running (2) dual 2 ohm 12' HCCA's wired to 1 ohm and I don't remember the specific head unit, but it was about $250 made by Kenwood. So according to Ohm's Law, I should need need about 59 AC Volts, but with everything maxed out like I said before, I can only get it up to about 45 volts... I've had it totally maxed out for the passed couple of days, and I the subs seem totally fine, but will running the amp at max be ok for its health? And also is there some way that I can increase the gain a little more so I can reach my full potential?
Thanks in advance, and my system is finally operational so I might through up a build soon (Mazda 6 s)
It's impossible to be running 2 d2 subs at 1 ohm. You should wire them down to .5 ohm if you have the electrical to back it up.

 
dual 2 subs to a 2 ohm load

2DVC_2-ohm_mono.jpg


this pic is dual 4 wiring but its the same concept. Dual 2's wired like this will give half ohm load

2-DVC-4-ohm-mono-low-imp.jpg


 
Two runs of 0/1 gauge copper wire will help and you need alt and battery and big3 to back up the amp. Most stock alts and batt will not get this amp going.

I had a saz1500 that was killing my electric system and I was only able to play for short burst before I had to turn it down

I upgraded alt now I no longer have a problem.

 
FML, I'm a *******... Not only is this my first big setup, but it's also my first ever multi-sub setup as well... I wired it parallel, so .5 ohms then; I guess it's a good thing that I have a good amp. And as far as the electrical goes, I have 2 XS Power D5100s in the back, a D1200 under the hood, Cadence 0 (power) and 8 (speaker) gauge wire, 2 positive runs to the back (currently only 1 hooked up because I'm waiting for some hobo on amazon to ship some more fuse holders), and I just got my Excessive Amperage 225 amp alternator in the mail this morning so hopefully I'll have that hooked up before the end of the week, along with the other 2 thirds of the big three.

Currently with the 3 batteries, a stock alternator, and one run of 0 gauge to the back, it will drop to the 11's with the volume at 20 (which I've only done once). For normal listening it stays above 13 (or 12 if my friend is controlling the bass remote lol)

Now that you guys have cleared up my stupidity... Should I leave it wired to .5 ohms? I bought the amp used, but I opened up the back just to take a peak, and it looks totally pristine and shiny. Also, my gain issue still has the same problem... yes I maxed out all of the head unit's bass / sub settings already, and lets just say that at .5 ohms the amp produces 4000 watts (just an example, please don't argue over sundown potential or box rise), that means that I'm still underneath the full voltage (which is about 50v) with the gain maxed out. So what should I do about that?

 
FML, I'm a *******... Not only is this my first big setup, but it's also my first ever multi-sub setup as well... I wired it parallel, so .5 ohms then; I guess it's a good thing that I have a good amp. And as far as the electrical goes, I have 2 XS Power D5100s in the back, a D1200 under the hood, Cadence 0 (power) and 8 (speaker) gauge wire, 2 positive runs to the back (currently only 1 hooked up because I'm waiting for some hobo on amazon to ship some more fuse holders), and I just got my Excessive Amperage 225 amp alternator in the mail this morning so hopefully I'll have that hooked up before the end of the week, along with the other 2 thirds of the big three.
Currently with the 3 batteries, a stock alternator, and one run of 0 gauge to the back, it will drop to the 11's with the volume at 20 (which I've only done once). For normal listening it stays above 13 (or 12 if my friend is controlling the bass remote lol)

Now that you guys have cleared up my stupidity... Should I leave it wired to .5 ohms? I bought the amp used, but I opened up the back just to take a peak, and it looks totally pristine and shiny. Also, my gain issue still has the same problem... yes I maxed out all of the head unit's bass / sub settings already, and lets just say that at .5 ohms the amp produces 4000 watts (just an example, please don't argue over sundown potential or box rise), that means that I'm still underneath the full voltage (which is about 50v) with the gain maxed out. So what should I do about that?
Ok calm down a bit take a big breath..... Ok better? turn all bass gains to 0 on radio and all the way down on the amp and turn sub out back to 0db on the HU. Ok now find you a 0db 40hz test tone turn up radio till it distorts then back off a lil make sure you had amp gain all the way down. Now with same 40hz test tone turn up the gain till the 40 hz test tone sounds like it changes to a different note (like 41hz or 42) now back gain off just a hair till it sounds like 40hz again. Have engine running while you do this and now you will be a lot closer on your gain. When you add all big 3, the extra 0gauge and alternator do this again. This should hold you over for a lil while to you get something to set gains with the right way.

 
Ok thanks. But when you say "something to set gains the right way" do you mean one of the SMD DD-1's? Doesn't tuning it with a multimeter and then bringing it down a couple notches to give room for distortion do the same thing?

 
Ok thanks. But when you say "something to set gains the right way" do you mean one of the SMD DD-1's? Doesn't tuning it with a multimeter and then bringing it down a couple notches to give room for distortion do the same thing?
I hear smd dd1 works well. O-scope works best I think. But both of those will show you when you start to clip if your not getting proper voltage and current to your amp it will clip at less power than it would if it had rated power. So if you set your gain with multimeter for say 3500 watts and your not giving the amp the electrical to make that much power the amp will clip at lower wattage and you set your gains with clipping in it that way. Sry if I didn't make sense I've had a real bad day

Most important part

1. Don't use bass boost

2. You want the cleanest signal you can get going to amp. So don't raise sub output level all the way up on deck

3. Get your electrical system right before you start maxing out your volume

4. With good electrical your amps will work easyer and put out more power. That's good for everything amp an subs

We all start off learning at this and made mistakes I just turned 39 and played with radio's since I was 8 and I'm still learning.

So have fun and it sounds like when you get done you will have a nice system

 
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