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I just bought 2 Subs for $40 each. I have a 4 door sedan (Acura TL).

 

All the audio equipment in the car is stock, right now.

 

I want extremely loud & clear bass. I do not know what amplifier to get and I do not understand any of the terms associated with amp & subs. I am a newbie and doing this for the first time.

 

What amp should I get for the 2 pioneer TS-W309D2 subs? Any advice is helpful. Also, are these subs good?

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subs are fine for a new guy on a budget. How much are you looking to spend on an amp


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and is it a dual voice coil 2 ohm or 4 ohm?


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HU: Clarion NX501 Nav Deck

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Speakers: Silver Flute 6.5" Mids / ID X28 1.25" Tweeters

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not more than a couple of hundred

 

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its 2 ohms.

 

Whats the difference between 2ohm and 4ohm?

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subs are fine for a new guy on a budget. How much are you looking to spend on an amp

 

on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate these subs?

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audiopipe apsm-1500

 

This looks like a 1 channel. Would I not need 2 channels for 2 subs? I know home theatre, I do not know car audio. So that where im coming from. Please correct me if I make no sense.

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single channel amps or monoblocks are amps specially for subs,


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I'd give them a 5. they take a pounding as long as you don't over power them and try to get more out of them then they are able to give. For a new guy in the car audio game, These are just fine. Better than many other cheaper crappier brands but they aren't going to compete with many other brands that majority of this community run. Check your messages.


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HU: Clarion NX501 Nav Deck

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Speakers: Silver Flute 6.5" Mids / ID X28 1.25" Tweeters

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how many watts are the subs?

 

from what i can dig up they're 400 rms


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they are 400 watts RMS each

 

the ohms is the resistance load they will put on the amp and since you have DVC 2ohm subs you can wire them as seen here to present a 2ohm amp load

 

http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/ca/learningcenter/car/subwoofer_wiring/2DVC_2-ohm_mono.jpg


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HU: Clarion NX501 Nav Deck

Amps: C2 Audio Recon 1.6, Sundown SAX50.4

Speakers: Silver Flute 6.5" Mids / ID X28 1.25" Tweeters

Subwoofer: 2 C2 Audio Team 1k 12"s

Wire/Battery: SHCA 1/0 OFC--Shuriken BT-80 / BT-35

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Peak Power handling 1400W

 

You're new to the game, so let me tell you this - you never, ever, ever need to worry about 'Peak power handling'. Don't even look at it. As far as wattage goes, the only thing you'll want to look at on subwoofers is the RMS rating. Peak power handling is basically a huge number that a lot of manufacturers throw on their subs to make them look more powerful. It's an insignificant number. Only worry about RMS rating - since you have two subwoofers, you'll want to put their RMS rating together and find an amplifier that would match your power requirements well.


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Careful, by those definitions Spider Monkey is a contributing member, I don't think he even knows what a subwoofer is.

 

Thanks quackhead. Your the only person who agrees with me. Jesus Christ I have like 40 post and I've been called a ******* like 37 times

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with this wattage, a 800-1000 watt amp at 2 ohms will do you well, the power you need should not be too expensive, everyone in here is a nuthugger for a certain brand, i recommend you a soundstream, crossfire if you can find cheap, and db drive personally would go with a db drive amp i'll put some links on here for you to look at


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Old School DB Drive SPA1200 1 1200 Watt RMS Mono Car Amplifier | eBay

 

i've had quite a bit of these older spa series amps, i have never had a single problem with these, but i myself will warn you that thes e are class AB its a different circuitry and uses a little more power, class d is more efficient, i reccomend a class d amp myself, but me from personal experience would recommend the amp in the link


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You're new to the game, so let me tell you this - you never, ever, ever need to worry about 'Peak power handling'. Don't even look at it. As far as wattage goes, the only thing you'll want to look at on subwoofers is the RMS rating. Peak power handling is basically a huge number that a lot of manufacturers throw on their subs to make them look more powerful. It's an insignificant number. Only worry about RMS rating - since you have two subwoofers, you'll want to put their RMS rating together and find an amplifier that would match your power requirements well.

 

How can I find out the RMS rating? its not on the website and I do not have the subs with me yet.

Pioneer 12" DualVoiceCoil 2Ohm Subwoofer TS-W309D2 - Best Buy

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How can I find out the RMS rating? its not on the website and I do not have the subs with me yet.

Pioneer 12" DualVoiceCoil 2Ohm Subwoofer TS-W309D2 - Best Buy

 

I noticed that. I'll look it up for you.


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Careful, by those definitions Spider Monkey is a contributing member, I don't think he even knows what a subwoofer is.

 

Thanks quackhead. Your the only person who agrees with me. Jesus Christ I have like 40 post and I've been called a ******* like 37 times

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How can I find out the RMS rating? its not on the website and I do not have the subs with me yet.

Pioneer 12" DualVoiceCoil 2Ohm Subwoofer TS-W309D2 - Best Buy

 

click on the "overview" tab it says "nominal power" thats the rms


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Amps: SQ 3500D and taramps tl-900

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Speakers: 2 sets of QC-HF6.5

Vehicle:White 1997 Ford F-150 Extended Cab

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How can I find out the RMS rating? its not on the website and I do not have the subs with me yet.

Pioneer 12" DualVoiceCoil 2Ohm Subwoofer TS-W309D2 - Best Buy

 

I just looked it up. Amazon says it's nominal rating is 400w. Since you have two subwoofers, you'll be looking to find an amplifier that puts out about 800 watts at whatever impedance you plan on running. You have two 2-ohm subs, so your best bet would be to run one in series and one in parallel for a 2-ohm load. So, again, try to find an amp that will put out around 800w @ 2 ohms.

 

P.S. - You said you came from home audio, do you know what I mean when I say wiring in parallel/series? If not, I'd be happy to explain along with answering any other questions you have.


gVxZm.gif

 

Careful, by those definitions Spider Monkey is a contributing member, I don't think he even knows what a subwoofer is.

 

Thanks quackhead. Your the only person who agrees with me. Jesus Christ I have like 40 post and I've been called a ******* like 37 times

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I just looked it up. Amazon says it's nominal rating is 400w. Since you have two subwoofers, you'll be looking to find an amplifier that puts out about 800 watts at whatever impedance you plan on running. You have two 2-ohm subs, so your best bet would be to run one in series and one in parallel for a 2-ohm load. So, again, try to find an amp that will put out around 800w @ 2 ohms.

 

P.S. - You said you came from home audio, do you know what I mean when I say wiring in parallel/series? If not, I'd be happy to explain along with answering any other questions you have.

 

I kinda understand series vs parallel. Isnt parallel always better? It gives independent output to ech speaker, right?

 

I would appreciate you explaining how it work in car audio. Also, if there is any online documentation with diagrams, that would help too.

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I kinda understand series vs parallel. Isnt parallel always better? It gives independent output to ech speaker, right?

 

I would appreciate you explaining how it work in car audio. Also, if there is any online documentation with diagrams, that would help too.

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Subwoofer Wiring Diagrams, Two 2 ohm Dual Voice Coil (DVC) Speakers

 

Boom.

 

Basically, the way you wire your subwoofers up is what determines your final impedance that the amplifier is seeing. Check out those pictures in the link I posted - The12Volt.com is an awesome site to look up stuff that you might need to know. All I had to do was google 'Subwoofer wiring diagram the12volt and it came up - I put in '2 subwoofers' and '2 ohm DVC' and it brought up every wiring configuration possible for your setup, which I posted above. Those diagrams will show you all of the ways you can wire your subs for the different impedences available to you.

 

By the way, no impedance is really 'better' or 'worse' than any other ones. You just use different ones to achieve different impedences, depending on what your setup looks like. Some people argue that parallel is better to run, just because most amps are more efficient at lower impedances, which is what 'parallel' does. However, there are many situations where wiring in series is more appropriate, because some amps can't operate below 2 ohms. So, if somebody had a 1-ohm DVC sub but an amp that ran at 2 ohms, they'd have to run a 'series' load. I hate to confuse you, it's just install-dependant.


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Careful, by those definitions Spider Monkey is a contributing member, I don't think he even knows what a subwoofer is.

 

Thanks quackhead. Your the only person who agrees with me. Jesus Christ I have like 40 post and I've been called a ******* like 37 times

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I've been running two of these on 1100 rms for about 2 months now they're actually pretty good subs considering they were $39 a piece... They do get pretty warm to the touch after playing for a while but that's because I'm giving them a bit more than what they're rated at.

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