Subwoofer sensitivity

Subwoofer sensitivity basically doesn't matter. What matters for making loud bass is the displacement. This is the cone surface area times the Xmax. If that 10" sub can move more air than the 12" sub then it could be louder. You find the surface area by looking at the full list of published parameters(hopefully this is in the owner's manual), and you want the line "Sd". It's not simply 10" squared.

 
Generally, yes, more cone area (displacement) = louder.

SPL is not dependent on displacement alone though. Take a PA speaker for example. Xmax on these are fairly low - but some of them can make a LOT of sound. Granted it's going to be at a higher frequency (several factors involved here), suffice it to say - the woofer displacement is a contributing factor - but so is how forcefully the cone can change it's direction while compressing the air. Motor strength (as well as amount of coil in the gap, size of the gap, weight of the moving mass, etc.)... these factors will all contribute to the output.

Subwoofer sensitivity basically doesn't matter. What matters for making loud bass is the displacement. This is the cone surface area times the Xmax. If that 10" sub can move more air than the 12" sub then it could be louder. You find the surface area by looking at the full list of published parameters(hopefully this is in the owner's manual), and you want the line "Sd". It's not simply 10" squared.
 
Generally, yes, more cone area (displacement) = louder.
SPL is not dependent on displacement alone though. Take a PA speaker for example. Xmax on these are fairly low - but some of them can make a LOT of sound. Granted it's going to be at a higher frequency (several factors involved here), suffice it to say - the woofer displacement is a contributing factor - but so is how forcefully the cone can change it's direction while compressing the air. Motor strength (as well as amount of coil in the gap, size of the gap, weight of the moving mass, etc.)... these factors will all contribute to the output.
If this is true why don't manufacturers put the most powerful motor possible on everything? The motor is going to move as quickly as the music dictates.

 
the 10 is way more efficient, if both were 10's the 92 db would kick the 86's azz
In reality, most drivers that suffer from poor sensitivity have the stroke necessary and can soak up the power that will make it much louder in the end than a higher sensitivity driver.
 
Primarily? Cost...

If neodymium slugs were as inexpensive as the more common strontium ferrite - we'd be seeing it used on all speakers...

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I'm not referring to how quickly the motor is moving (as that is dictated by frequency) - but with how much force it has 'to' change direction.

Force is mass x acceleration, and there's give-and-take on both sides of the equation. Again - in comparison to a PA speaker, they use a fraction of the slug size found on most car audio woofers - instead utilizing a very light moving mass and comparatively tight magnetic gaps.

If this is true why don't manufacturers put the most powerful motor possible on everything? The motor is going to move as quickly as the music dictates.
 
In reality, most drivers that suffer from poor sensitivity have the stroke necessary and can soak up the power that will make it much louder in the end than a higher sensitivity driver.
True, usually high efficiency drivers = SQ/lower =SPL. In general a high sensitivity driver requires less power to move the coil

 
True, usually high efficiency drivers = SQ/lower =SPL. In general a high sensitivity driver requires less power to move the coil
I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make. It looks like you're saying SQ drivers are usually more efficient than SPL drivers, which is simply not the case. Usually, a SQ driver will have more excursion, more moving mass, a lower fs, and less motor force; all of which translate into a lower efficiency driver. Most SPL-oriented drivers will be more efficient at every power level than an SQ driver, assuming we're talking about your usual frequencies 30+hz. Below 30hz, it's possible that the SQ driver could be more efficient. There's a lot of variables involved. That's why it's hard to make general statements like this.

 
I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make. It looks like you're saying SQ drivers are usually more efficient than SPL drivers, which is simply not the case. Usually, a SQ driver will have more excursion, more moving mass, a lower fs, and less motor force; all of which translate into a lower efficiency driver. Most SPL-oriented drivers will be more efficient at every power level than an SQ driver, assuming we're talking about your usual frequencies 30+hz. Below 30hz, it's possible that the SQ driver could be more efficient. There's a lot of variables involved. That's why it's hard to make general statements like this.
Another true story. I'm guessing he might have been referring to the old school thinking of a SQ driver where efficiency truly was part of the design. Remember ID 15" drivers that looked like PA equipment? JBL had some as well. Just a thought.
 
And to be sure, whether or not a driver is efficient is certainly not a guarantee that it possess the attributes of something qualified as SQ gear.

 
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