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[Z1NONLY 10+ year member]

Googled "STi binding problem"....

DCCD - Torque Binding

When I first got my STi 1.5 years ago, Subaru gave me a list of things to know about my new car. One thing on the list that was mentioned was the torque binding that may occur when turning in a tight radius. It mentioned it could happened when the DCCD was set to "lock" or close to it.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

well no **** if you lock the diff it will bind, the only reason you can pick how much it slips or locks is just proof it's AWD not 4wd.

 

[Z1NONLY 10+ year member]

well no **** if you lock the diff it will bind, the only reason you can pick how much it slips or locks is just proof it's AWD not 4wd.

Just like you can chose to lock the transfer case on a truck....or not.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

Just like you can chose to lock the transfer case on a truck....or not.

not even remotely the same thing. I have a 4wd and an awd, the 4wd is either locked in or not, there are no clutches in the transfer case/center diff to slip to allow the wheels to spin differently. The AWD (which also has a setting to differentiate the clutch pressure) will allow the wheels to spin at different speeds when in full time, and locks down hard in part time and will bind.

 

[Z1NONLY 10+ year member]

AWD and 4WD are not the same thing. I don't care what Subaru is trying to tell you. They are wrong, you are wrong, and neither term is used to describe the other. There is no redundencey here. If there was, there would only be a need to have one of the terms.

That's like saying that there is no use for terms class "A", "A/B", "D" etc.

Class D is a designation for how a particular amp amplifies a signal.

AWD is a designation for how a car drives with all 4 wheels. In the case of the STi, it's AWD system can use all 4 wheels, at the same time, to drive the car.

It's not just Subaru marketing. It's simply something the car can do.

If your personal designation is a locking transfer case, the STi has it. If it has to be able to use all 4 wheels at the same time to drive the car, it can.

The only thing the car can't do is....2WD. lol I guess that's why you think it can't possibly be 4WD.

Yes, you did come right out and say something, and it was wrong. I was just pointing that out.

That was your claim, yes. Problem is you have yet to back it up. When you are don cursing, name calling and caps-locking maybe you could explain why, exactly you contend the car can't possibly be 4WD?

Your parents didn't disipline you when you were little did they? You're one snotty little child that can take an education when it is beat into him.

Well, you're consistent. You really like to talk about things you have no clue about.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

Ok I'm going to type this out as slowly and as coherent as possible, hopefully it gets across this time.

AWD is a system that allows the front and rear tires to spin at different speeds when needed. It can how ever spin all 4 at the same speed if needed as well. Just because it spins all 4 tires does NOT make it a 4wd car. 4WD is a system that is locked front to rear full time, it will not allow the front and rear axles to be driven differently. The center diff or transfer case in an AWD car has clutches that allow it to split the power at different loads then 50/50, a 4WD center diff or transfer case is gear driven with no clutches and is only capable of splitting torque 50/50. Even if your AWD car as the option to lock the front and rear together at 50/50 does not make it 4wd. It is still AWD with a locking center diff.

 

[R34P3R 10+ year member]

A 3 page E-Fight not even about the original topic (by LA_CRX the original troll).

 

[Z1NONLY 10+ year member]

Ok I'm going to type this out as slowly and as coherent as possible, hopefully it gets across this time. AWD is a system that allows the front and rear tires to spin at different speeds when needed. It can how ever spin all 4 at the same speed if needed as well. Just because it spins all 4 tires does NOT make it a 4wd car. 4WD is a system that is locked front to rear full time, it will not allow the front and rear axles to be driven differently.

Full time. Really? That dq's every truck that's capable of 2WD operation. (which is most of them) I'm curious how many 4WD's on the market are full time. If you mean full time "once the driver engages it" then the STi can do the same thing....Once the driver locks it at 50/50. Did I not make that clear or do you really intend to say that every 4WD truck that can run 2WD isn't a 4WD because it's not 4WD full time?

The center diff or transfer case in an AWD car has clutches that allow it to split the power at different loads then 50/50, a 4WD center diff or transfer case is gear driven with no clutches and is only capable of splitting torque 50/50. Even if your AWD car as the option to lock the front and rear together at 50/50 does not make it 4wd. It is still AWD with a locking center diff.

I mentioned this before. It sounds like this position argues that the car can't be 4WD because it doesn't have the ability to be 2WD. Basically saying the car is too 4WD to be 4WD.

 

[R34P3R 10+ year member]

You must be some kind of idiot to award someone that is neither on topic nor involved with the discussion a trolll win. If anything, Z1NONLY gets the award for continually attacking fact, with tangent.

Now now, don't get so hasty that you start misspelling words. The award was actually insisted towards CRX for creating yet another useless thread that ends in flames(at least it wasn't a build log). I bet he has no intention whatsoever to drop any of his rides, and even if he does, he doesn't care about the opinion of anyone who would ever post in this thread. So yes, the award is well deserved as it shows that YOU still continue to fight with someone you think is wrong who will obviously never admit he is (not a personal shot or anything).

Cliffs:Your Troll Has Been Triumphed By A Greater Evil (With a larger post count to prove it).

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

Full time. Really? That dq's every truck that's capable of 2WD operation. (which is most of them) I'm curious how many 4WD's on the market are full time. If you mean full time "once the driver engages it" then the STi can do the same thing....Once the driver locks it at 50/50. Did I not make that clear or do you really intend to say that every 4WD truck that can run 2WD isn't a 4WD because it's not 4WD full time?


I mentioned this before. It sounds like this position argues that the car can't be 4WD because it doesn't have the ability to be 2WD. Basically saying the car is too 4WD to be 4WD.

no awd can be operated to 2wd if the system as the option, Full time means if it's in 4wd it is locked 100%. If it has the option to not be 100% locked it's awd not 4wd. Every single post you have responded to me has been totally misinterpreted or purposely ignored. I don't know how to explain it any further.