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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jimi77" data-source="post: 8828556" data-attributes="member: 673702">I guess that depends on how you define ineffective.  If you define it as stopping the virus in its tracks, then they're incredibly ineffective.  Maybe Trump "oversold" vaccine effectiveness when he made comments about the "Covid will just go away."  Clearly he was mistaken.  Given the nature of both the flu & covid viruses, they'll never be controlled like polio for example.  Due to both viruses being able to easily jump from humans to other animals and back there will always be large reservior of the virus on hand for a new mutation/outbreak, so from that perspective these vaccines will always be "ineffective."  OTOH, these vaccines are very effective at reducing your chances of a costly hospital stay or death.  That has been pretty well documented.  It's kinda like snow tires, do they guarantee to won't slide in the snow - no.  But that doesn't mean snow tires are "ineffective."</blockquote>