twinkieC405
10+ year member
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AMEN!....the more i look into RE the more i want one.
I can be perfectly clear about this one. But I guarantee people are gonna get pissed off at me but here it goes. Just to say though I have nothing against these compaines, I have never heard any of these subs, and I have nothing against any users of any of this equipment. I predict atleast 15 posts by this time 2morrow commenting on the subject.
Basically all the companies that people are raving about are false hope. People are in search of "False hope" subs if you will. People are tired of paying money for the good stuff so they search for cheaper things that are supposedly better than the good stuff.
Let me break this "False Hope" idea down for you a bit. Let's take the super bowl. Theirs is usually always some dominant team playing and then an underdog. And if you don't like neither teams in the super bowl who do people always want to see win........the underdog. During the game you make sort of a connection with the underddog and you want them to desperately win. But once the dominant team wins you instantly hate them. It is the same case with these subs. This is why whenever some starts a thread about W7's, you ALWAYS hear someone post about a D2, or an XXX. And then there are gigantic fights about which one is better either the W7 or the D2. We all know though that JL dominates the market though and the W7 actually does sound better than a D2. But people keep insisting the D2 sounds better which is a sense of false hope because everyone knows its not true, even the people who say it.
What makes people go for these subs is their cheapness. Of course JL stuff is expensive, that's becasue they have technology like no other company. People buy them and then they here one person talk how good they are, then it is a chain reaction of false hope.
Look at polls on caraudio.coms home page and sounddomains home page and loot at the dominant subs. They are identical in both posts. And no where do you find companies such as RE on them, they are simply placed as other because they are not a big company. The bigger the company the better the technology, period. Look at Directed, huge as company and who are they in cahoots with......PPI, Orion, Viper, A/D/S, and that is some of the best equipment out on the market today. I can't even find these companies on ligitiment websites such as acaraudio.com, sounddomain, and countless others.
I'll post more of my views later by I got third block now so peace.
Just before you post anything I hope you realize that I'm not ripping on this stuff so don't come on the offensive to me.
Basically all the companies that people are raving about are false hope. People are in search of "False hope" subs if you will. People are tired of paying money for the good stuff so they search for cheaper things that are supposedly better than the good stuff.
Let me break this "False Hope" idea down for you a bit. Let's take the super bowl. Theirs is usually always some dominant team playing and then an underdog. And if you don't like neither teams in the super bowl who do people always want to see win........the underdog. During the game you make sort of a connection with the underddog and you want them to desperately win. But once the dominant team wins you instantly hate them. It is the same case with these subs. This is why whenever some starts a thread about W7's, you ALWAYS hear someone post about a D2, or an XXX. And then there are gigantic fights about which one is better either the W7 or the D2. We all know though that JL dominates the market though and the W7 actually does sound better than a D2. But people keep insisting the D2 sounds better which is a sense of false hope because everyone knows its not true, even the people who say it.
What makes people go for these subs is their cheapness. Of course JL stuff is expensive, that's becasue they have technology like no other company. People buy them and then they here one person talk how good they are, then it is a chain reaction of false hope.
Look at polls on caraudio.coms home page and sounddomains home page and loot at the dominant subs. They are identical in both posts. And no where do you find companies such as RE on them, they are simply placed as other because they are not a big company. The bigger the company the better the technology, period. Look at Directed, huge as company and who are they in cahoots with......PPI, Orion, Viper, A/D/S, and that is some of the best equipment out on the market today. I can't even find these companies on ligitiment websites such as acaraudio.com, sounddomain, and countless others.
I'll post more of my views later by I got third block now so peace.
Just before you post anything I hope you realize that I'm not ripping on this stuff so don't come on the offensive to me.
I see where you are coming from. One thing you fail to realize is that with products such as car audio it is impossible for instant success.
If a company makes a product that is 10X better than the other one, doesn't advertise I guarantee that it will not sell for as much money as the popular one, or in as many stores.
I am not saying that the XXX or D2 is better than the W7 because I have not owned any of the speakers but I'm saying that the possibility of the XXX or D2 being better than the W7 is as good as the W7 being better than the D2 or XXX.
Peace,
Craig G
If a company makes a product that is 10X better than the other one, doesn't advertise I guarantee that it will not sell for as much money as the popular one, or in as many stores.
I am not saying that the XXX or D2 is better than the W7 because I have not owned any of the speakers but I'm saying that the possibility of the XXX or D2 being better than the W7 is as good as the W7 being better than the D2 or XXX.
Peace,
Craig G
TheVanMan
10+ year member
Why you looking here?
Boomfoo,
I agree with everything you said above except for two things:
1) you said the W7 sounds better then the D2. You said earlier that you never heard a D2 but you claim that the W7 is better. How many people have heard the magnum D2 and the JL W7 in ideal situation in the same car. If you didn't, you really can say much about comparison
Plus since RE, SI, eD are small companies, of course they won't be as well known as JL. Do you think that when JL came out for the first time everybody knew them. These things take time.
2) As for the the bigger the company the bigger the technology is a bunch of ********. Pyle is bigger then RE but why does there subwoofers and car audio in general **** so much.
Notice how JL really hasn't made any changes to the W7 woofer in a while. Companies will eventually find better ways to make a better woofer and it doesn't necessarily be JL.
Lastly the cost ratio of the 'internet companies' is so much better then JL. I would rather have 2 15XXX's in my trunk then a 1 JL W7 in my trunk.
I agree with everything you said above except for two things:
1) you said the W7 sounds better then the D2. You said earlier that you never heard a D2 but you claim that the W7 is better. How many people have heard the magnum D2 and the JL W7 in ideal situation in the same car. If you didn't, you really can say much about comparison
Plus since RE, SI, eD are small companies, of course they won't be as well known as JL. Do you think that when JL came out for the first time everybody knew them. These things take time.
2) As for the the bigger the company the bigger the technology is a bunch of ********. Pyle is bigger then RE but why does there subwoofers and car audio in general **** so much.
Notice how JL really hasn't made any changes to the W7 woofer in a while. Companies will eventually find better ways to make a better woofer and it doesn't necessarily be JL.
Lastly the cost ratio of the 'internet companies' is so much better then JL. I would rather have 2 15XXX's in my trunk then a 1 JL W7 in my trunk.
BoomFoo: I'm sorry, but your whole post is BS. I have owned both big brands and "false hope" brands. Dollar for dollar you get so much more with the "internet brands" listed. Its simple. JL is a good product, but they have so much marketing and such that they have to be priced were they are just to make it. Take away all that overhead and they could drop their prices to match to newer guys. The cost to make each sub or product is not the much differant.
I think even you can't believe that the bigger they are the better they are. Come on now! Thats like saying that a Ford is better than a BMW because they are bigger. Just not true.
Were products are listed in polls has nothing to do with how good they are. Most of the time that just means: What does everyone have in their setup? Because people are going to vote for what they have.
Keep in mind, I too am just voiceing my oppinion. Not coming down on anyone or any product!
I understand that everyone will stand up for the product they are running at the time. But I can say that price had nothing to do with what I ended up with. Many weeks of research and hearing brands and the sub that best fit my application is what I made my decision on. NOT FALSE HOPE!!!
I think even you can't believe that the bigger they are the better they are. Come on now! Thats like saying that a Ford is better than a BMW because they are bigger. Just not true.
Were products are listed in polls has nothing to do with how good they are. Most of the time that just means: What does everyone have in their setup? Because people are going to vote for what they have.
Keep in mind, I too am just voiceing my oppinion. Not coming down on anyone or any product!
I understand that everyone will stand up for the product they are running at the time. But I can say that price had nothing to do with what I ended up with. Many weeks of research and hearing brands and the sub that best fit my application is what I made my decision on. NOT FALSE HOPE!!!
One other thign to consider. The JL W6 came out about 12 years ago. It wasn't changed for 12 YEARS!!! Are you telling me that 12 years ago that woofer wasn't as good as it is now because JL Audio wasn't as well known?? That woofer all in a sudden got better as JL Audio was becoming more known because the woofer was already great.
UMMMM That makes no sens therefore you are an IDIOT.
Thanks,
Craig G
UMMMM That makes no sens therefore you are an IDIOT.
Thanks,
Craig G
Pyle specializes in concert-series speakers and DJ equipment in such, they just refurbish the faulty subwoofers out of certain cabinets, replace the voice coils, and sell them as "car sub-woofers" so it kind of doesn't apply in that case. Same goes with Pyramid. Now if you had used Lanzar you would have had an arguement...
Don't get mad at me just because your point wasn't taken to be the truth by everyone and I have no idea what that statement above means. I sir will not resort to name calling.
Let me make one thing clear. I think JL subs ARE very good subs. On the other hand you think these "internet subs" are "cheap subs offering false hope". That is just not true and I know others feel this way.
I'm through with you!
B_Master_Flash
10+ year member
Trust me, I'm a doctor
Complete speculation from a guy who thinks L7s have good SQ.
dude i went to hifi buys(owned by tweeter) and both the car audio salesman and the installers have never heared of an re XXX they told me to bring in the spec sheet and they could compare it to the w7....i brought it in and they were like **** thes are pretty close to the w7 then the dude asked how much it was i was like $400 for a 15. The installer was like go with the XXX unless u have money to burn
LeX
10+ year member
Nissan by Nature
It's like comparing Intel and AMD processors. AMD is the XXX and INtel is the W7.
The intel processor costs way more but it just manages to beat the AMD by a fraction.
The AMD is therefore much better value for money despite being a fraction 'slower' . The Intel processor still holds the edge for anyone with money to burn.
The intel processor costs way more but it just manages to beat the AMD by a fraction.
The AMD is therefore much better value for money despite being a fraction 'slower' . The Intel processor still holds the edge for anyone with money to burn.
I can sum up your entire post by saying that you have no idea what you are talking about. You typed out what seems to be a coherent little essay, but I'm going to break it down for you.
From BoomFoo:
I can be perfectly clear about this one. But I guarantee people are gonna get pissed off at me but here it goes. Just to say though I have nothing against these compaines, I have never heard any of these subs, and I have nothing against any users of any of this equipment.
You said it yourself, if you have never heard any of the equipment, then how can you go on to say that the internet companies are providing us with false hope. That's like me saying, "Lamborghinis are the most efficient means of transportation. I've never driven one, but I know I'm right." How could I possibly know that?
Basically all the companies that people are raving about are false hope. People are in search of "False hope" subs if you will. People are tired of paying money for the good stuff so they search for cheaper things that are supposedly better than the good stuff.
The reason things are cheaper on the internet is because you eliminate the middle man from the equation who adds in certain expenses so that the end customer ends up paying his profit AKA RETAIL. Online dealers can typically offer products cheaper because they don't require a storefront/rent/middle man/etc.
Let me break this "False Hope" idea down for you a bit. Let's take the super bowl. Theirs is usually always some dominant team playing and then an underdog. And if you don't like neither teams in the super bowl who do people always want to see win........the underdog. During the game you make sort of a connection with the underddog and you want them to desperately win. But once the dominant team wins you instantly hate them. It is the same case with these subs. This is why whenever some starts a thread about W7's, you ALWAYS hear someone post about a D2, or an XXX. And then there are gigantic fights about which one is better either the W7 or the D2. We all know though that JL dominates the market though and the W7 actually does sound better than a D2. But people keep insisting the D2 sounds better which is a sense of false hope because everyone knows its not true, even the people who say it.
[sarcasm]We know JL dominates the market because that's just given. It's not because they market their products or have retailers everywhere. We don't have to hear their subs, we just KNOW they're the best because they cost the most. SQ is obviously not debatable as well because since JL is the best, we can only compare other woofers to their superior quality.
What makes people go for these subs is their cheapness. Of course JL stuff is expensive, that's becasue they have technology like no other company. People buy them and then they here one person talk how good they are, then it is a chain reaction of false hope.
Yeah right. I guess it doesn't pay to be a thrifty shopper?
Look at polls on caraudio.coms home page and sounddomains home page and loot at the dominant subs. They are identical in both posts. And no where do you find companies such as RE on them, they are simply placed as other because they are not a big company. The bigger the company the better the technology, period. Look at Directed, huge as company and who are they in cahoots with......PPI, Orion, Viper, A/D/S, and that is some of the best equipment out on the market today. I can't even find these companies on ligitiment websites such as acaraudio.com, sounddomain, and countless others.
What does this have to do with anything?
I'll post more of my views later by I got third block now so peace.
Just before you post anything I hope you realize that I'm not ripping on this stuff so don't come on the offensive to me.
Don't take my criticism as offensive as I am eager to hear your response to this.
Have a nice day,
B
From BoomFoo:
I can be perfectly clear about this one. But I guarantee people are gonna get pissed off at me but here it goes. Just to say though I have nothing against these compaines, I have never heard any of these subs, and I have nothing against any users of any of this equipment.
You said it yourself, if you have never heard any of the equipment, then how can you go on to say that the internet companies are providing us with false hope. That's like me saying, "Lamborghinis are the most efficient means of transportation. I've never driven one, but I know I'm right." How could I possibly know that?
Basically all the companies that people are raving about are false hope. People are in search of "False hope" subs if you will. People are tired of paying money for the good stuff so they search for cheaper things that are supposedly better than the good stuff.
The reason things are cheaper on the internet is because you eliminate the middle man from the equation who adds in certain expenses so that the end customer ends up paying his profit AKA RETAIL. Online dealers can typically offer products cheaper because they don't require a storefront/rent/middle man/etc.
Let me break this "False Hope" idea down for you a bit. Let's take the super bowl. Theirs is usually always some dominant team playing and then an underdog. And if you don't like neither teams in the super bowl who do people always want to see win........the underdog. During the game you make sort of a connection with the underddog and you want them to desperately win. But once the dominant team wins you instantly hate them. It is the same case with these subs. This is why whenever some starts a thread about W7's, you ALWAYS hear someone post about a D2, or an XXX. And then there are gigantic fights about which one is better either the W7 or the D2. We all know though that JL dominates the market though and the W7 actually does sound better than a D2. But people keep insisting the D2 sounds better which is a sense of false hope because everyone knows its not true, even the people who say it.
[sarcasm]We know JL dominates the market because that's just given. It's not because they market their products or have retailers everywhere. We don't have to hear their subs, we just KNOW they're the best because they cost the most. SQ is obviously not debatable as well because since JL is the best, we can only compare other woofers to their superior quality.
What makes people go for these subs is their cheapness. Of course JL stuff is expensive, that's becasue they have technology like no other company. People buy them and then they here one person talk how good they are, then it is a chain reaction of false hope.
Yeah right. I guess it doesn't pay to be a thrifty shopper?
Look at polls on caraudio.coms home page and sounddomains home page and loot at the dominant subs. They are identical in both posts. And no where do you find companies such as RE on them, they are simply placed as other because they are not a big company. The bigger the company the better the technology, period. Look at Directed, huge as company and who are they in cahoots with......PPI, Orion, Viper, A/D/S, and that is some of the best equipment out on the market today. I can't even find these companies on ligitiment websites such as acaraudio.com, sounddomain, and countless others.
What does this have to do with anything?
I'll post more of my views later by I got third block now so peace.
Just before you post anything I hope you realize that I'm not ripping on this stuff so don't come on the offensive to me.
Don't take my criticism as offensive as I am eager to hear your response to this.
Have a nice day,
B
Best thing to do is buy one of those subs, install it and show them what that crappy equipment can do.
Whats so special is that most of those subs were designed by people who compete in all types of comps. They were not happy with what the main stream was putting out so they built epuipment that can withstand a lot more than most, can out perform more than most and hold world records to prove it. There is a whole nother level of car audio that the general public and most car audio shops are not exposed to. So they think that there is nothing else out there that can compete with what they sell or what they know to be "the best". Those shops that have had the change to hear and see these products come to realize this and if they were smart would look into carrying some of these products. They would do very well in my opinion.
Hope this helps answer your question.
Stick around this forum and others and you will come to see and learn what I mean. I'm far from an expert on all of this, but I know a great product when I see it.
Very good reply.
explain to me how an u can flat out say the w7 sounds better when SQ is opiniated.
UHHH i'm confused as to why you are mad at that comment. I was talking to BoomFoo. Maybe you mistook me for him??
Anyways, all I was saying is that BoomFoo is an idiot not you buddy. Sorry for the confusion. My point was that the w6 by JL Audio was the same sub for 12 years, it was considered amazing in it's time. I can almost guarnatee that 12 years ago it wasn't as much as it was 6 years ago since JL made a name for themselves.
With this name, their prices rose. But with the price increase the woofer stayed the same. This can be like the XXX. It is a great sub, but since it isn't know that well yet, it is cheap. Once more and more people know it, they will charge more and more for it. That is if RE gets as big as JL audio.
I hope I made more sense to you now.
Peace,
Craig G
My bad Craig, sorry about that. I was thinking I was talking to BooFoo. The Boo through me off. Thanks for explaining your point. It's a good one. I need to look at the names better next time. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/toast.gif.bc0657bf54b9ee653b6438524461341e.gif
lexus rx
10+ year member
love tha bass
then tell me this. i went to get some 1/0 gauge wiring for my civic setup at my local jl dealer. he asked me what i was running and i told him. he told me i would be better off buying a 13w7. i told him that i woud put my XXX up against his jl any day. he told me to bring it in whenever i wanted and we would mic both of them in my car. well, when i pulled up to his shop knocking hard as hell he told me he was too busy to do it (he said that to me the next day as well!). they have a three bay shop and there was only one car in the bays at the time. they didn't want any because they knew they would get owned!! so take your false hope idea and shove it up your ass. oh, and if you ever want a piece of this XXX then let me know and i'll show you what my false hope speaker will do to your piece of **** l7.
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