One 15 In A Grand AM = 150.7 @ 40hz!!!!!!!!!

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

Cmon now, you know he would charge at least 100 bucks for a box design, he has to have some type of profit. Cause paper to write on= 5c and pen 1$ and then you have his thoughts=priceless, so that there is the tax, oh and shipping. You might be getting up there for box plan fatryan. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

well im actually good to go. i go my L7 box here that i built a year or so ago.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

1. The boxes are ugly and the ports stick out 12"....who the hell is gonna drive around with ports sticking out of their box?? He guys, check out my new sub box. I know its ugly as sin but it's loud as hell. 2. MDF is the most popular type of wood when building any sub enclosure....as well as fabricated baffles, amp racks and such. Seems to me all spkrman cares about is sqeezing every DB he can from a single sub and throwing 2000 solid real world (as he loves to use the term) watts at the ugly ported box he built....and quite frankly, as someone stated, it is getting rather annoying....over played. I think some of us would rather go with simple sealed or vented boxes with whatever amp we choose to go with and call it good. I mean, why waste all that time and $$ trying to do that?? Just to impress everyone?? Of course. Great. We're impressed. Is there an end to this impressiveness or does it gotta continue like a broken record?? It's plain and clear the guy has no life if all he does is build ugly boxes for a living and post remarks on here blowing everybody out of the water with their wall of subs....for example. Someone who has a lot of time on their hands really, and just shove info down our throats. Sorry but this is really....really stupid. It needs to end, really soon. I'm gonna stick with my 22 bucks a sheet of MDF, sometimes 2 sheets, depends upon the size of enclosure, and use it to my know how. Along with the equipment that we got to work with. Simple as this: We work with what we have to the best of our advantage. If someone beats your 2 15's with 1 10" sub in a TCAB enclosure, so what!! That doesn't necessarily mean we gotta get competitive with that person just to make ourselves feel better. Like I said, we do with what we have. Or buy something a little better and what sounds good to you.

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[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

I dont have a problem with him or his posse. What I do have a problem with is him spaming the forums with advertisements. It states clearly in the TOS that dealers arent allowed here. Also im tired of hearing that the R is Gods answer to subwoofers. geesh.

 

[singlesubsetup 10+ year member]

Cmon now, you know he would charge at least 100 bucks for a box design, he has to have some type of profit. Cause paper to write on= 5c and pen 1$ and then you have his thoughts=priceless, so that there is the tax, oh and shipping. You might be getting up there for box plan fatryan. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I read that and almost pissed my pants ^^^^

That was some funny sheeit

I don't really know what to think about all this... 1 15" type R and

Why cant these results be duplicated by other people in other oganizations? Who does'nt want to hit 150 in a daily driving car? (Hell I want to!) But why is Mark the ONLY one who can do this?

I don't post here often, but there are several respected, resonable, talented, and skilled people here (with several people I reconize from Termpro) who dont by it. So idk, I would like to see more people hitting those numbers in other organization before I'd by into all this hype. After all if these # are only being hit in one type of organization then it would seem to me maybe it has to do more with the rules of the organization than the equipment...

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

well now that just means we need proof. video of the tl maybe?

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

I dont doubt the mans numbers, for one he has vids of the subs puting up numbers on the TL, and also I know his teamate Tommyk90 would not lie on numbers, he seems like a ligit guy.

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

I dont doubt the mans numbers, for one he has vids of the subs puting up numbers on the TL, and also I know his teamate Tommyk90 would not lie on numbers, he seems like a ligit guy.

well then he should post those vids for the nonbelievers

and stop using my avatar....its copyrighted

 

[delvryboy 5,000+ posts]

well then he should post those vids for the nonbelievers
and stop using my avatar....its copyrighted

i believe all of the vids are posted at ROE.....

as far as other orgs, there are differences going from the kick to the dash. sometimes there is a major difference(4db+), sometimes they are minimal.

as far as the video on music, well, there isn't much to argue there:naughty:

maybe mark should post dbrag style scores also, that would at leastgive people some idea of what a certain setup would do in that org.

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

i believe all of the vids are posted at ROE.....
as far as other orgs, there are differences going from the kick to the dash. sometimes there is a major difference(4db+), sometimes they are minimal.

as far as the video on music, well, there isn't much to argue there:naughty:

maybe mark should post dbrag style scores also, that would at leastgive people some idea of what a certain setup would do in that org.

ok, well there you go people. i dont really care, so im not gonna check it out, but for those who need proof. this guy told you where to find the proof

 

[Spkrman]

Not gonna be mean too you mang! I just dont like people that come in on here and talk shit like they know what the hell is going on.
Yes, his boxes are decent. I would however never pay that much for a box. I dont like the materials he uses or the ports on the side. I guarentee I know alot of people around here that do daily 150 on the tl with a 1 sub setup. There is a guy that is going around right now in a trunk of a lumina doing a 150 musical on a pioneer 3004. He paid 150 for an all 3/4 mdf box. This thing is crazy loud too the point I am in pure amazment. So it comes down to me thinking he just promotes his boxes way to much. I mean its almost to the point that nothing else will work on a r unless you have a tcab. Latley it is starting to be every woofer. So that is why I debate and get in arguements. They say they know what is best for our cars coustically. So I dont know, but I am sure it works for him and people like you. But I will never pay 3 bills for a box.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

I'd love to know who is doing 150+ in a lumina on music with one 12... and who made him the box for 150. Lets also ask, was it a local build or shipped? How about a vid of it? How about some shred of evidence? Not everyone rolls around with a 150+ setup... very few do it with one 12... and in a "basic" box in the trunk of a lumina 150+ isn't happening. I've worked with the vehicle, and its not exactly easy to get loud.

Is it indirectly advertising my product? Sure... but I'm not advertising any more than when someone with any piece of equipment pops on here with a vid. If you don't want to watch the vid.. damit, DON'T WATCH THE VID! Some people enjoy watching vids like this, I definitely do. I'm contributing to the community, helping make CA.com what it is.

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

Id like to see the legal dB drag numbers if you have any

 

[Spkrman]

well of course hes gonna charge for design and construction. but thats quite a basic design and im sure also a fairly easy build. is that worth $200+? maybe it is to you, but it just isnt to me. if the shops around you charge $400+ for enclosures, then by all means, outsell them. i dont know what shops around here charge cause i build my own, and maybe it is like $400+. im comparing these prices to ones ive seen on the forums here, and $300 for a 1 sub "essentially" sealed enclosure made outta p-board w/resin & $60 ports on it is too high 4 me. thats just my personal opinion. lets not take this any further, i dont wanna draw too much attention and start a war in this thread again. lol

If its so basic, why doesn't everyone do it? Why isn't everyone putting up great numbers? Why has 99% of this forum spent more on their setup as a whole and can't come close to a 150... and if they can, not at this low of a note. We are talking a 150+ even at 38hz....

This box wasn't $300, just a btw... This particular box was only $150. He provided the ports and didn't want carpet, and it was also a local build. I would charge exactly the same to anyone under the same circumstances.

I ask you this... lets just go off the vid here: http://www.thecaraudiobox.com/eventpicsandvids/TCAB10hzlower3dblouder.wmv

approx recreating the system would be:

2 type R 12's - $250

nine.1 - $300

box design from these forums - $15

(assuming you have the facility/ability/tools) materials for the box - $30-50

Also factor in the hours it will take to make a box, the less experience you have with wood the longer it will take.

That is about $600, could be as much as $700 or more if you have to buy the tools to make the box. Not counting the hassle of building it, going to the store and getting the wood... how much is YOUR time worth?

Now he pulled a 139 @ 48hz with the above setup, just about.

What he COULD have gotten if he would have planned on the TCAB box straight off is.... :

One type R 12 - $125

nine.1 - 300

TCAB box - ~$225 shipped

No work... get the box and put it in.

That comes to about $650, and thats that.

With a setup like that, he pulled a 142.9 (before he got the other box in there) at 46hz. If the box was designed to be in there on its own, the score would have been achieved at a lower note. I'd also like to add that the box designs are more advanced at this point... so now it would be even louder.

Now can you see where the VALUE of the box comes in? He would have been louder for about the same amount of $... saved space in his trunk... and had less hassle. It would have also been louder and sounded better from the start.

To the DIY guy who wants to sit in his garage all day building boxes, there is no point in buying a box... but to the guy who just wants a LOUD setup and doesn't want to deal with building or CAN'T build... a setup designed around the box saves $.

Also mods, don't take this as advertising... I just feel the need to stand up to the shyte being slung at me and my business by presenting a real world account //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Spkrman]

1. The boxes are ugly and the ports stick out 12"....who the hell is gonna drive around with ports sticking out of their box?? He guys, check out my new sub box. I know its ugly as sin but it's loud as hell. 2. MDF is the most popular type of wood when building any sub enclosure

Do I really care what everyone else is doing? I am completely independant of bias from other companies and these forums... I use what works, PERIOD.

The guy WANTED the box just like it is, LOUD... that was the only requirement. If it was carpeted, it would have looked better... but he wanted to save pennies and didn't care what it looked like.

....as well as fabricated baffles, amp racks and such. Seems to me all spkrman cares about is sqeezing every DB he can from a single sub and throwing 2000 solid real world (as he loves to use the term) watts at the ugly ported box he built....and quite frankly, as someone stated, it is getting rather annoying....over played. I think some of us would rather go with simple sealed or vented boxes with whatever amp we choose to go with and call it good. I mean, why waste all that time and $$ trying to do that?? Just to impress everyone?? Of course. Great. We're impressed. Is there an end tohis impressiveness or does it gotta continue like a broken record??

I'm gonna stick with my 22 bucks a sheet of MDF, sometimes 2 sheets, depends upon the size of enclosure, and use it to my know how. Along with the equipment that we got to work with. Simple as this: We work with what we have to the best of our advantage. If someone beats your 2 15's with 1 10" sub in a TCAB enclosure, so what!! That doesn't necessarily mean we gotta get competitive with that person just to make ourselves feel better. Like I said, we do with what we have. Or buy something a little better and what sounds good to you.

What you just said is exactly WHY you get a TCAB box. If my box with one 10" woofer is capable of beating 2 15" woofers in a sealed box... why would you ever waste $ on the 15's? I'd be embarrased if my 15's got beat by a 10... and I'd look into getting one of those dam boxes.

Your bashing for the sake of bashing... and not doing a very good job of it.

It's plain and cl tear the guy has no life if all he does is build ugly boxes for a living and post remarks on here blowing everybody out of the water with their wall of subs....for example.

So the guy here beats alot of people with walls using much more equipment in more extreme installs, while doing it in a very musical setup @ a low note... is this a bad thing? As I've posted 20 times here, he didn't want carpet.. it saved a few bux.

Someone who has a lot of time on their hands really, and just shove info down our throats. Sorry but this is really....really stupid. It needs to end, really soon.

I post it on a forum... if you dont want to read it or watch the vid... don't. I'm not shoving a dam thing down your throat.

Its your choice to reply here...

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

If its so basic, why doesn't everyone do it? Why isn't everyone putting up great numbers? Why has 99% of this forum spent more on their setup as a whole and can't come close to a 150... and if they can, not at this low of a note. We are talking a 150+ even at 38hz....
This box wasn't $300, just a btw... This particular box was only $150. He provided the ports and didn't want carpet, and it was also a local build. I would charge exactly the same to anyone under the same circumstances.

I ask you this... lets just go off the vid here: http://www.thecaraudiobox.com/eventpicsandvids/TCAB10hzlower3dblouder.wmv

approx recreating the system would be:

2 type R 12's - $250

nine.1 - $300

box design from these forums - $15

(assuming you have the facility/ability/tools) materials for the box - $30-50

Also factor in the hours it will take to make a box, the less experience you have with wood the longer it will take.

That is about $600, could be as much as $700 or more if you have to buy the tools to make the box. Not counting the hassle of building it, going to the store and getting the wood... how much is YOUR time worth?

Now he pulled a 139 @ 48hz with the above setup, just about.

What he COULD have gotten if he would have planned on the TCAB box straight off is.... :

One type R 12 - $125

nine.1 - 300

TCAB box - ~$225 shipped

No work... get the box and put it in.

That comes to about $650, and thats that.

With a setup like that, he pulled a 142.9 (before he got the other box in there) at 46hz. If the box was designed to be in there on its own, the score would have been achieved at a lower note. I'd also like to add that the box designs are more advanced at this point... so now it would be even louder.

Now can you see where the VALUE of the box comes in? He would have been louder for about the same amount of $... saved space in his trunk... and had less hassle. It would have also been louder and sounded better from the start.

To the DIY guy who wants to sit in his garage all day building boxes, there is no point in buying a box... but to the guy who just wants a LOUD setup and doesn't want to deal with building or CAN'T build... a setup designed around the box saves $.

Also mods, don't take this as advertising... I just feel the need to stand up to the shyte being slung at me and my business by presenting a real world account //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

read the post. the box is basic!! i didnt say the development of the "perfect" designed box for that sub is basic. you said it yourself, its essentially a sealed box. therefore its basic.

$300 is what i was told. if it was $150, than thats actually pretty good and something id consider. i just went off what some1 else told me.

i am DIYer unless i get a great deal or some other BS comes up. so lets just end this arguement here. i wasnt talkin shit or trying to make u look bad or calling you a liar or anything. all i said was my opinion on what i heard

 

[Spkrman]

I read that and almost pissed my pants ^^^^
That was some funny sheeit

I don't really know what to think about all this... 1 15" type R and

Why cant these results be duplicated by other people in other oganizations? Who does'nt want to hit 150 in a daily driving car? (Hell I want to!) But why is Mark the ONLY one who can do this?

I don't post here often, but there are several respected, resonable, talented, and skilled people here (with several people I reconize from Termpro) who dont by it. So idk, I would like to see more people hitting those numbers in other organization before I'd by into all this hype. After all if these # are only being hit in one type of organization then it would seem to me maybe it has to do more with the rules of the organization than the equipment...

Its something like an NBA player making 30+ points in a game look easy. How does he do it? He is great at what he does... he practices everyday, and dedicates his life to one thing - playing basketball. While its NOT easy to play in the NBA, obviously...

I churn out 150+ capable setups all the time... how do I do it? I have spent years getting the experience in all the various vehicle types, and working on all kind of off the wall designs. I don't do anything else, this is how I make a living. I make it look easy when its definitely not... at all.

2 years ago I would have lauged if you said you could do a 150+ at 40hz in a 4 door trunk car without ton of power and some big expensive woofer... and I think most of this forum would have been with me. But, I've worked my arse off and found what works when and where... and it shows.

I love when people call BS, or come up with excuses - it just reminds me how far I've gotten.

Its not hype, its the real deal. We do MECA because... well.. thats what we do. Its the format we choose to follow, its neither better nor worse than any other organization. You don't see numbers on the dash because chances are this car will never go to a show where the mic is on the dash.

However you swing it... this setup is STUPID loud at a nice low note.