New System Diagram

[zane 10+ year member]

For anyone who would like to know- Here goes- this is currently what is on the line up to make its way into my car once it's restoration is complete.

http://www.geocities.com/thunderbird302/System.html?1013153691590

Let the insanity begin!!!

-zane

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[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

how you like those amps? where abouts are the cost?

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Genesis is a Brittish Manufacturer of ultra high quality amplifiers. There are only a few select retailers here in the states that import them. Originally I was going to use Phoenix Gold Amplifiers, however, I stumbled upon these and based on the specs, and information I obtained from the company directly, they appear far more impressive. I will post a complete review of these amplifiers once I have them installed and am able to abuse them a few weeks.

For more information on Genesis Amps- go here:

http://www.genesis-ice.com

take it easy,

-zane

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

i have seen them but never knew anyone was really bringing them in so i never new cost they be class a right? another amp line i would love to see is celestra

 

[IASCA pro 301-6 10+ year member]

Well Zane...that seems like a nice little set-up there...no much in the signal path to screw the sound up...and not a ton of subs...Sound Quality at it's best!

 

[01price 10+ year member]

Pretty good, I would use a higher Q headunit, but it's alright. Let me know how you like the four.1, I have the THREE.1 and an epic-150 running from an Alpine 7876. Nice setup. Make sure the thoose tweets don't get too much power, they are very sensitive //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[vargy 10+ year member]

hello

I've gotta "zaney" question for zane. I don't want to be too personal, but what do you do for a living to make all this "system-money"? I'm just curious. (Cool System)

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Pure Simplicity in design for the purest sound possible.

- Yes I do compete in IASCA, USAC, and other local SQ events.

K.I.S.S. philosiphy the whole way.

In regaurds to the head unit- it was chosen becuase it will best work with my system requirements. I dont need all the other hoop-la BS that comes on the higher models- it only gets in the way and interferes with natural sound. Just because a certain head unit is not the most expensive or top of the series, does not mean that it is not quality. A simple 1 pre-out 35wx4 cd/tuner would likely not be be suitable for a serious audiophile in most cases, just in the same as a 3 pre-out, internal EQ, spectral anylizing cd/tuner in a novice- street only car.

A simple model number weather it a higher or lower number, does not make it any more or less better than the others.

There shouldnt be a problem with the tweets at all, the crossovers that morel includes are of excellent design and really some of the finest I have seen on the market today. From previous auditions of these speakers, the tweeters behaved quite well, even with my patented "Cover your eyes and turn buttons testing." //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif With these and the Audio Control Four.1 inline- everything should flow nicely!

The woofers were strong and well defined, especially in the 80-120hz range. Overall, I selected these components as the were able to keep up with virtually all of my vigorous SQ test tracks, and general listening effortlessly, listening to the Hybrid 6 is incredible envigorating- I would highly reccomend that anyone who has the chance to hear these, to give them a good workout- they will not leave you dissappointed.

The car this system is going in is currently in restoration, as it will be a classic next year and I am working with it from the ground up to bring it back with a twist of class, and a deviation from the norm.

Currently I am rebuilding the engine/drivetrain and adding a few high performance goodies. The interior of the car is basically complete now, and the custom hood and side skirts will be installed in about a month- to a month and a half- depending on how much longer the engine takes. Soon after that- (mid spring) I have it set for a complete paint job- after that- its system time. So while this is a little off in the near future, this is how things are looking now. Once complete, I will post some before and after pics, as well as give a complete review of the entire set up. Once the sound system is in- it is freely open for anyone to audition for themselves- so long as I know about it in advance. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

This is definately going to be an interesting car and system all the way arround. I'll keep you posted.

Take it easy,

-zane

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by vargy hello

I've gotta "zaney" question for zane. I don't want to be too personal, but what do you do for a living to make all this "system-money"? I'm just curious. (Cool System)

I actually just changed jobs, I was laid off of my former job as a DS1- UNE technician for a large communications company. The company was doing quite a bit of cutbacks, and recently filed for bankrupcy- so either way- this was inevitable.

Right now, I am an Office/Field Supervisor for a medium size construction and custom woodworking company. I basically oversee office operations and and work with the field crew to make sure things are done right- I am also the computer system admin for the same company- which ammounts to making sure the website is updated, records maintained, and troubleshooting any problems that may arise. In a nutshell, I just make sure that the computers do what they are supposed to do. (--hides duct tape and hammer behind back--//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif )

thats me- I just keep really busy- that is all there is to it. I can honestly say that I earn each and every dollar I make.

Hardwork does pay off, sometimes! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

take it easy,

-zane

 

[01price 10+ year member]

What I meant was you could get a better signal if you used the 16v balanced line outputs. They do make an adapter for the eclipse head units. But then again you may not have the need for a 16v balanced line.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

do things that are needed if you want output voltage i can show you how to use an amp as a line driver but if you dont have noise what is the point? especially if you use regualar speakers i used to run mack daddy horns with 112 db eff. but personally i like sony mobile es hu's. my c-90 sounds as good as my friends tube cd player hehe on his home set up.

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Nope. Dont need 16V outputs. I may be the only SQ person to say that, however, I believe that if everything is installed correctly- they should not be necessary. The 5V outs that the cd5441 comes with will be perfectly fine.

The car is basically getting most of its electrical system re-worked and modernized- so interference should not be much of an issue either. If by some very slim chance some is picked up, there are several things that can be done to eliminate this.

Otherwise, as I said before- more bells and whistles just complicate the signal path and leave too many holes for problems to creep in.

take it easy,

-zane

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

way too true there more is usually worse as i recall in my escort from the early 90's .... that had 27 speakers and only 4 were subs..ehhhehehe my firebird kicked its ass all over even if it is suposed to help....baid aids fall apart just like they fall off your finger............ nothing beats just doin it right just like with anything dealing with it direct with result in direct results

 

[mrray13 10+ year member]

what r u restoring? i'm more of a wrenchhead than car audio guy (though i'm learning), i'm more than a little curious when some talks about groundup restores. really what got my attention was " it'll be a classic next year" i'm assuming gm f-body? or is it going to be old enuff next year to qualify classic status? maybe a early '80's?

i know it has nothing to do with car audio,but what can i say?

i'd take a '67 L88 vette (that 427 tripower that audiolife was talking about) over a dozen w7's and the power to push them ANY day!! nothing beats 500 hp+(they were WAY underrated for insurance reasons!!eat your heart out jl and fosgate! nobady beats the big three in underrating;at least during the glory days of 100 octane gas and big gas guzzling carbs!!) screaming out of factory sidepipes at 5000rpm!! that'll set off car alarms and break glass!!

seeing how i'm rambling on i'll digress and go wipe the drool off my chin........PEACE

oh yea, the stereo set-up is sweet zane

 

[Snapnakk 10+ year member]

hey mrray13, i know what your sayin. My dad has been sayin it to me since i was 5 years old. Since then i have become a car nut to just like my dad, kent. I didnt know anyone else had the name kent but back to what i was sayin. We just got out of restortin older car (mostly british and american muscle) and are now doin new repairables.

This is why i am tryin so hard to learn about car audio is so i can put a great system in my 98 grand cherokee (hard rollover but will be quite a vehicle for a 17 year old when done) I have a long way to go on the suv and learnin about car audio.

That quit the system there zane but i can only dream of have that much money to put into that simplistic of a system at the time. I guess im more in spl and a lil sq are the dressing on the cake.

later

 

[mrray13 10+ year member]

don't crush 'em, restore 'em(quote dennis eckerley[i think that's his name]of my classic car )

don't put 'em on a trailer, put 'em on the boulavard

words to live by, u know car audio and restoring cars go hand in hand....iasca pro 361(i'm sorry if that's wrong) said" you can't have too much power" in a post here and the cars(trucks) that systems go in are one and the same.... you can't have too much POWER!! long live pushrods!!!!

i know i know,

 

[LuRp 10+ year member]

i bought a 69' goat 6 months ago... 2 weeks ago a car hit it while it was parked //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif i cried for 2 days strait... i had everything set up for the resto... sigh

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by mrray13 what r u restoring? i'm more of a wrenchhead than car audio guy (though i'm learning), i'm more than a little curious when some talks about groundup restores. really what got my attention was " it'll be a classic next year" i'm assuming gm f-body? or is it going to be old enuff next year to qualify classic status? maybe a early '80's?

 

i know it has nothing to do with car audio,but what can i say?

i'd take a '67 L88 vette (that 427 tripower that audiolife was talking about) over a dozen w7's and the power to push them ANY day!! nothing beats 500 hp+(they were WAY underrated for insurance reasons!!eat your heart out jl and fosgate! nobady beats the big three in underrating;at least during the glory days of 100 octane gas and big gas guzzling carbs!!) screaming out of factory sidepipes at 5000rpm!! that'll set off car alarms and break glass!!

 

seeing how i'm rambling on i'll digress and go wipe the drool off my chin........PEACE

 

 

oh yea, the stereo set-up is sweet zane

Early 80's is correct- an 83 to be precise. A GM- not in my garage. I dont care for them a bit.

I am working on an 83 Mercury Cougar, it has the 302 CID V8, TBI (for now). It is an "F" body as you said- Body wise- it is in excellent shape- needs cleaned up and new paint but no major sheet metal damage.- barely any rust at all. Engine wise- it needs a little work- it has 114,000 miles and was rather neglected for a better part of its life. I am taking care of all the mandatory overhauls and replacements and modifying things a bit. end power goals are roughly 400-450HP at the wheels, which really shouldnt be too much of a challenge in a car like this. The TBI will be removed in favor of a Sequential Multi-Port Injection (MPI) fuel delivery system, with high flow pump and injectors. Exhaust, Ignition, Lift and Duration will also me modified extensively.

It has a 4 spd AOD tranny at the moment- which is actually holding up quite well, I have no complaints with this thus far, so aside from a normal flush- it will remain. Unless that is, some one knows of a very good and inexpensive CobraTremic-R 6spd manual for sale. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif The rear end is set up with a posi- 3:27 gear- perfect for good off the line response and cruising at higher speeds.

Right now- I am in the process of upgrading the cooling system with a high flow water pump, and a few modifications to the radiator and tranny cooler.

Sensors are next on my list- thats where the big bucks come in unfortunately. But, they have to be done so oh well.

100% gearhead here too, I have been working with cars for more years than I care to remember, have 2 years of technical training behinde me, as well as ASE certification.

now, who calls this an addiction- //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I've always caught a lot of slack from the die hard gearheads though, I finish the body, engine, interior, etc. and then a system always goes in right away. Several say that a stereo isnt needed with the rumble of the engine- however, why build everything pristine and go half-arse on the tunes?

I am always preaching that a system is only as good as its weakest component. Well, the same applies with a car- it is only as good as its weakest component. Do it ALL right the first time- and then enjoy without having to worry about the next project.

Dennis Gage is his name mmray13, and his phillosiphy is 100% correct. I have seen way to many classics in fairly good shape, sitting in junk yards rotting away or waiting to be crushed. - If only more people out there understood this art better- some of these may be saved.

On the top of that list in my case- of cars that do not belong in the junkyard- A 68 Shelby Mustang GT350

Yes, you did read that right- a genuine GT350!

I spotted this about a week ago while browsing one of the local junkyards for interior pieces and ideas.

It was not a complete GT350 - as the front axle and most of the front pannels were missing. (Engine was gone too- --darn!)

It was a little beat up and would be a restoration project for a very serious enthusiast- one that has a lot of time and money to invest, and one heck of a lot more experience than I.

Just a shame to have seen Eleanore (actually a GT-500) sitting there calling for help.

ok, everyone, quit the crying!

take it easy,

-zane

 

[mrray13 10+ year member]

ase certification? dang, zane(that rythms,cool ), what else you do? shadetree all the way here!!i've gotten into 4 by's lately, but nothing,NOTHING, beats the sound of a big block rumbling on the strip! and nothing is better than to have the tunes to go with it. Dee Snider(of Twisted Sister fame) said it best" make it as fast as possible, then drive 35mph so everybody can see you." at the time he had a gt500 with the appropriate amount oh hp..500. of course you can't cruise without tunes!!

rock on zane, keep the the tunes cranked, the engine tuned, and the tires lit!

oh yea, a quick "fogger"shot at the throttle body don't hurt nobody!!LOL

one last note...... on a quiet night you can hear a chevy rust, but even on the noisiest nights you can hear a ford fall apart(just not fast enough)!!LOL //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[perdanav6]

Zane,

can you please tell me more about the Morel Hybrid6. I intent to upgarde my front speakers to the Morel Hybrid6 from my current 6.5" DLS reference speakers. I will be hooking it to my Helix HXA500Q with a Sony headunit. How is the Morel Hybrid 6 compared to others maybe MB Quartz QSD216 or Focal 165K2.

Feedback received from my installer with the Hybrid6 I should be able to hear better all around sound, effortless and without having to increase the SPL. I am into SQ.

TQ.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif