best size sub for heavy metal (think 'one' by metallica)

[jimmyjames1700 10+ year member]

i will spend whatever gives me the power and quick response that i am looking for (within reason). why do you suggest going with 2 subs? wouldnt it be better to spend more money and get a quality single sub (talking out of my *** keep in mind)?

I would go with a pair of more efficient subs, as opposed to a single large higher power handling yet slightly less efficient sub due to the amp you have and the size of the cabin you are listening in. Cone area is key, and having more of it will generally reduce distortion due to lower excursion at a given output level when compared to a single long-stroking sub.

And as squeak mentioned, the kick drum region is usually in the lower midbass range. The initial crest of the kick drum should be heard through your mids not subs. However, your sub should be able to produce that upper bass hit in the 80Hz range that you feel in the your chest. That's why I suggest the ID's or a similar subwoofer, because they will have plenty of that.

 

[dgoodhue 10+ year member]

As some of the other have said. What you looking of is good midbass, to play most of those drum notes in Metallica's One. A sub will help the lower notes (and reinforce some of those note). If your lease is almost up, wait until you buy your next car to upgrade the stereo...

 

[Kevokrook77 10+ year member]

I agree with what all of them are saying.

but LOL, metallica ≠ heavy metal

 

[Crown_amps]

I agree with what all of them are saying.
but LOL, metallica ≠ heavy metal

i had a good laugh at this reply since i share the view that Metallica is not metal more or a pop alt act now ....shame to their roots i say

imo sealed is way way better for the metal i like which is death metal since its able to keep up with it a hell of a lot better than my ported box ever will

 

[eisenhower 10+ year member]

That's hogwash bullhonky. Any size subwoofer will work for you...8" through 18".

However, the most important thing you should do to really obtain the best performance in that "kickdrum" area is upgrade your front interior speakers. The majority of the impact, snap and punch of the kickdrum is located more in the midbass area than in the subbass region. Your midbass speakers will carry most of the impact and punch of the kickdrum, the subwoofer plays more of a "fill-in" role.

With that said....what are your present interior speakers? A great sub with inadequate midbass speakers will result in generally poor "kickdrum" performance.

Actually the inertia of an object is directly proportional to mass and also air resistance, so size and wieght do matter. Not to mention bigger subs are more likely to have issues with cone flexing. Sure there are other things to consider, but honestly, if he likes metal, why not go with a small sub?

But, yes, front speakers will make a much bigger difference, infact having a sub with speakers can ****, because the speakers get the initial hit of the bass drum, and the sub gets all the woof, and it doesn't transistion well in a car.

 

[jimmyjames1700 10+ year member]

Actually the inertia of an object is directly proportional to mass and also air resistance, so size and wieght do matter. Not to mention bigger subs are more likely to have issues with cone flexing. Sure there are other things to consider, but honestly, if he likes metal, why not go with a small sub?
But, yes, front speakers will make a much bigger difference, infact having a sub with speakers can ****, because the speakers get the initial hit of the bass drum, and the sub gets all the woof, and it doesn't transistion well in a car.

I just wanted to post something I remember reading in one of William Dudleston's white papers. For those of you who don't know he is the creator of Legacy Audio in Springfield IL, and is considered to be one of the brightest loudspeaker engineering minds in the world. Anywho.....

"Transient response characteristics usually improve as piston area and size is increased. (For skeptics who still believe that an 8" woofer is "quicker" than a 12" woofer, remember that this is a velocity issue. I bet you can empty a swimming pool faster with a bucket than a teaspoon!)"

Bill always believed in using multiple larger drivers to deliver cleaner/deeper sound with better dynamics and more stable imagery. Really a cool guy, you should check out some if his speakers here. http://www.legacy-audio.com/

I also remember reading a tech paper on Adires website where Dan was discussing that woofer speed is not dependent on the moving mass of a driver but, rather the inductive reactance of the drivers voice coil.

 

[eisenhower 10+ year member]

I just wanted to post something I remember reading in one of William Dudleston's white papers. For those of you who don't know he is the creator of Legacy Audio in Springfield IL, and is considered to be one of the brightest loudspeaker engineering minds in the world. Anywho.....
"Transient response characteristics usually improve as piston area and size is increased. (For skeptics who still believe that an 8" woofer is "quicker" than a 12" woofer, remember that this is a velocity issue. I bet you can empty a swimming pool faster with a bucket than a teaspoon!)"

Bill always believed in using multiple larger drivers to deliver cleaner/deeper sound with better dynamics and more stable imagery. Really a cool guy, you should check out some if his speakers here. http://www.legacy-audio.com/

I also remember reading a tech paper on Adires website where Dan was discussing that woofer speed is not dependent on the moving mass of a driver but, rather the inductive reactance of the drivers voice coil.

Newton knew what he was talking about. Its really quite simple, take a 10 gram wieght and shake it up and down. Then take a 50g wieght and do the same. You'll see my point.

 

[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

Nope, he would want D2's. Unless you don't think that two CVX can handle 300Wrms. Since it's a mono amp that makes full power at 2 ohm mono. He would wire the coils in series to effectively make two 4 ohm speakers, and then wire the two subs in parallel to make a single 2 ohm load. Unless you don't think that two CVX can handle 300Wrms. .

didnt he say he only wanted one sub? dvc 2 ohms would get either an ohm load of 1 or 4 ohms, and the amp gives out max power at 2 ohms so a dvc 4 sub would be best. he only wants to put one sub in and he would get most power out of 1 dvc 4 ohm sub.

 

[tRiGgEr 5,000+ posts]

Actually the inertia of an object is directly proportional to mass and also air resistance, so size and wieght do matter. Not to mention bigger subs are more likely to have issues with cone flexing. Sure there are other things to consider, but honestly, if he likes metal, why not go with a small sub?
But, yes, front speakers will make a much bigger difference, infact having a sub with speakers can ****, because the speakers get the initial hit of the bass drum, and the sub gets all the woof, and it doesn't transistion well in a car.

http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/TechPapers/WooferSpeed.pdf

Read and learn. Then stop trying to implement physics incorrectly please. Thank you.

 

[jimmyjames1700 10+ year member]

Newton knew what he was talking about. Its really quite simple, take a 10 gram wieght and shake it up and down. Then take a 50g wieght and do the same. You'll see my point.

I hear your arguement but, it is kind of an unfair comparison however. Since a quality driver designer will increase motor force with a comparable increase in moving mass. So since I can't shake a 10g weight and then grow in muscle size before I shake the 50g weight, you see where I am going here.

 

[jimmyjames1700 10+ year member]

didnt he say he only wanted one sub? dvc 2 ohms would get either an ohm load of 1 or 4 ohms, and the amp gives out max power at 2 ohms so a dvc 4 sub would be best. he only wants to put one sub in and he would get most power out of 1 dvc 4 ohm sub.

Maybe he did, when I read the topic and saw thougth it said "What size subs for......., I was just misslead. So yeah, D4 for a single or D2 for a pair. Thats where I was going.

 

[eisenhower 10+ year member]

http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/TechPapers/WooferSpeed.pdf
Read and learn. Then stop trying to implement physics incorrectly please. Thank you.

Im sorry, did that article deal with cone size? How about even car audio?

I didn't think so, shut **** up until you actually read the shit you post.

Do you guys sleep with that paper? Its implimented like it was the ****ing bible of speaker design.

 

[eisenhower 10+ year member]

I hear your arguement but, it is kind of an unfair comparison however. Since a quality driver designer will increase motor force with a comparable increase in moving mass. So since I can't shake a 10g weight and then grow in muscle size before I shake the 50g weight, you see where I am going here.

okay, which is easier, growing a muscle, or making it lighter? People on here are so giddy at dispelling "myths" that they end up being completely unrealistic and unreasonable.

 

[tRiGgEr 5,000+ posts]

Im sorry, did that article deal with cone size?
I didn't think so, shut **** up until you actually read the shit you post.

No it dealt with driver mass.

Newton knew what he was talking about. Its really quite simple, take a 10 gram wieght and shake it up and down. Then take a 50g wieght and do the same. You'll see my point.

How bout you read what you post. Then decide who needs to "STFU" as you so elegantly posted.

A 10" driver is going to have less moving mass than a 15" driver. Read the artical.

 

[Crown_amps]

No it dealt with driver mass.


How bout you read what you post. Then decide who needs to "STFU" as you so elegantly posted.

A 10" driver is going to have less moving mass than a 15" driver. Read the artical.

wow you got mad at them for not reading what you posted...and called them on it...so when i did it it was so wrong eh