Alpine

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by :True enough, but I was just giving my opinion! Kickers subs are the best so dont go there. A 12" L7 square will beat out any other sub cuz I have friends at a car audio shop and they know their ****! Yes kickers are expensive, but alpine can be just as expensive depending on where you buy.

No no, DD's are the best. They will beat any other sub because I say so. I have a shop, MECP, ASE, ceritfication, and about 7 years to back me up too.

Ok, - now that we have a p*ssing contest going, how about some solid evidence on what makes the kickers "the best" subs.

Yes Alma Gates does use a modified Kicker L7 in her World Record SPL Bronco, however, does that mean that Her previous Setup of PPI was any better or worse? It was simply a change- new equipment, trying new things. Plus kicker also provided some incentive, in the way of wanting to endorse and support Team Gates. Just trying new equipment.....

As I have repeatedly said, there is NO "best" sub out there. It is virtually impossible as there are too many variable that effect actual output. Until each variable can be eliminated- there will never be a sub, or anything for that matter, that can claim itself to be "the best."

No need to start an argument over something this trivial. lets move on....

Take it easy,

-zane

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Jeep Love anyone?:I have had various components and none better than Kicker for subs and amps. They walk all other systems.

Glad you have had good luck with them, indeed Kicker does make a fine product, however, some have not shared the same good experiences. As for walking all over other systems- merely opinion.

BassMan01 went to the same competition and with an Impulse 12 in the minimum sealed box with 140 watts(from a Kicker amp mind you) he hit 138 DB! When I put my 2 L& 12's in the Jeep in the Kicker recommended SPL vented box with a Kicker DX700 amp to each sub I'll get it tested for the DB and let you all know why Kicker is king of bass.

Pretty decent score considering the wattage and the setup. It should be capable of quite a bit more with a little more power. Keep it going!!!

Go ahead and get your car metered and by all means post the results here. This will not however prove that Kicker is the King of bass by any means.

I could say Rockford Fosgate is King of Bass because my old install with 4 RF HE2 15's pushed by a RF Power 50.2 metered at 156.6db consistantly.

I could also say that Adire Audio is the best becuase a friend of mine hits 153db from a single tempest 15 pushed by a PG XS2500.

I could also say that DD is the best, because another friend of mine hits 157.5 from 2 DD 3500 series 15's pushed by a Cadence A7HC.

Point is-- it is all only opinion.

The alpine unit will produce bass, it will also distort sooner than the Kicker amps will, but hey, if you dont care how clean your bass is, go for it.

Firstly, how does an amplifier "produce" bass? I thought that was left up to the speaker.....

Secondly,how do you figure the Alpine will distort sooner? Both amps share the same Mosfet Technology, and in fact- the Alpine MRV-1507 easily exceded the Kicker DX700's power rating by 200 watts @14.4volts(standard idle voltage) bridged at 2ohms mono with .03%THD. While the kicker DX700 under the same circumstances 2 2ohm mono bridged actually peaks at .06%THD.

Now, whats this- the kicker actually has more distortion????

Not that this minimal of a difference will be audible in either application, however the actual distortion ammount is totally dependant upon the user and how the amp is set. So again, tell me how the Alpine will distort more first....

In case you would like to reference the above information check this out:

Alpine MRV 1507:

http://www.alpine1.com/html/D2_n_1_n_n.html

Kicker D700:

http://www.kicker.com/kcsc/mainx.show_page?p_filename=dxamps.html&p_menu=AMPS

Take it easy,

-zane

[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: zane ]

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Jeep Love anyone?:

You might have had problems blowing the subs because they blow when too LITTLE power is applied to them. If you put 100 watts to a 12" sub and dont expect it to blow you need to have your head checked. It is easier to blow a sub with lower power than it is with higher power.[qb]

I will be happy to disprove you on every point you stated above. That is one of the most common mis-conceptions about this sport all together. I would be happy to demonstrate that too little power will NOT blow a sub. I am in Cedar Rapids, IA. Anyone who would like to see this firsthand come on down. It seems as if this is the only way to put an end to this foolishness.

By the way, where is your solid actual documentation that too little power damages speakers?

[qb]Back to the Alpine amp - what exact amp are we talking about? Depending on the amp, the # of channels and the watts per channel, it may distort. You may not have had one that has, but after extensivly talking to my cousin, who is the manager at a car audio shop, I will not buy an alpine amp to push subs EVER! They just cant hit as low nor as hard as a Kicker one will. They are just fine for mids and highs, but for subs DO NOT buy an Alpine amp.

So wattage, channels, and model alone make an amp distort?? hmmmmm....

Very interesting concept. Any proof of this also?

Just wondering where user adjustment comes into play- or are you saying that this is not a factor?

How about vehicle charging system, wiring, installation?

Again, isnt it the sub that hits low and hard? I can hit my amp and it just makes a "tink tink" sound. please explain this theory also....

I will call the bluff on the Alpine Amp not as good as the kicker for pushing subs as well. As I have pointed out numerous times, that is your opinion only. We need some facts behind this, otherwise it becomes a moot point.

No sense in arguing over opinion. Everyone has one, therefore no one will be right.

take it easy,

-zane

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Jeep Love anyone?:

Ok...lets look at this situation:

1) I diss Alpine amps, you support ONE alpine amp.

2) You (and I) wont run less than 500 Watts to subs, of amps over 500 watts Kicker has more. Also, this guy probably doesnt want that much bass. Kickers smaller amps are still superior to alpine amps for pushing subs. Now, if we are talking about mids and highs - they are more equal.

3) Now you are naming brands that most people know nothing about, except competitors, and I do not expect this guy is one. For his needs he should buy a Kicker amp and not an Alpine one, nor the ones you listed as they are probably far beyond what he needs.

4) I wasnt taking you for an idiot kid, its just that Alpine amps wont do as well for pushing subs as a Kicker amp will. Thats all I've been saying this whole thread. Yes, there are other amps out there that will do better yet, but to keep this guy in the same price range and for him to be happier in the long run he should go with a Kicker amp.

5)If you ran the round Solo's that might be why they didnt push much air, I believe they were suppose to be in sealed boxes only. Im not into the competition sceen as after I put in a new heavy duty alternator I'll be disqualified. You seem to be into the competiton sceen and thats cool, stay with your soundstream exacts, MMATS procasts, Cadence Bass Pros, DD's, Atomics, and Juggernauts...they are beyond the scope of this thread. I will almost guarantee you that all the little "local" competitions I go to I will win. I should be in the mid to upper 150s(based on estimates and some calculations) in my vehicle with the current set-up. You and I have different preferences from eachother and from this guy in question, but I stand fast in saying that for his needs the Kicker will suit him better than an eqivilent alpine.

1. fair enough- that is only YOURopinion.

2.Time to back up your words with facts

3.Who says that any of the other brands mentioned are not better suited to this particular install. It is unwise to not consider all sources for an investment.

4.See number 2

5.The Round Solo-Barrics were meant for small sealed enclosures, which is also why so many audio dealers would not sell them without the enclosure. Otherwise all brands should still be open to consideration. And since when is adding a high output alternator against competition rules? USAC didnt seem to mind my 140amp model. It could be a new addition, honestly I have not reviewed the new competition guidelines for the upcomming season yet. Seems like kind of a foolish thing to do though IMO.

As for the kicker being better than the Alpine, refer to topoic # 2.

I am not trying to bust you down, I am just asking for solid comparrison between the two- that is all that is needed to help with the question at hand.

take it easy,

-zane

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Jeep Love anyone?:

Third, you've seen a "rockford 45..." WTF is a rockford 45? How many watts? How many channels? You've seen it push the hell out of 2 10s but dont tell the db on them? Sounds really convincing to me

Fourth, For the price and the bass output, Kicker amps are king.

The Punch 45 is an older model RF Amp- very very high quality-possibly one of the better quality amps RF has made to date.

The amp was rated at Somewhere in the neighborhood of 150W RMS x1 @4ohms.

Price and output kicker is king ehh?

Kicker DX700--$609.99- The Zeb

http://thezeb.com/caraudio/kicker.html

700 Watts RMS x 1 at 2 ohms

Harrison Labs AE800.2 - $329.99- The Zeb

http://thezeb.com/caraudio/harrisionlabs.html

800 Watts RMS x 1 at 2 ohms

Harrison Labs AE1600.2- $559.99- The Zeb

http://thezeb.com/caraudio/harrisionlabs.html

1600 Watts RMS X 1 at 2ohms

If you doubt the quality of Harrison Labs- go here for some more information: www.hlabs.com

MTX Thunder 8100D $459.99- The Zeb

http://thezeb.com/caraudio/mtx.html

1500 Watts x 1 at 2ohms

Alpine MRV-1507 $499.99- The Zeb

http://thezeb.com/caraudio/alpine.html

1500 Watts x 1 at 4ohms

Once again. That is only your Opinion of Kicker Amps. What is above supports my point that there are quite a few amps out there that have equal if not quite higher output than the kicker for less money.

That is fact. Click on the links.

Take it easy,

-zane

 

[earthquakes-r-us 10+ year member]

my pops had that amp. he had it powering 2 mtx 8s in a a 70's model chevy pick up that pumped!!

 

[<gregj9>]

well I must say that there are several good brands out there. I used to work at Ken's Car Tunes In Pensacola Fl for 6 years. Our store carried both Alpine and Kicker, so I have a lot of experience with both. To answer your question, yes the Alpine will push the l-7. More power is always better though especially from a clean amp. If a budget is your concern the alpine will work fine but leave you room for upgrade and more performance from that speaker.

 

[<gregj9>]

well I must say that there are several good brands out there. I used to work at Ken's Car Tunes In Pensacola Fl for 6 years. Our store carried both Alpine and Kicker, so I have a lot of experience with both. To answer your question, yes the Alpine will push the l-7. More power is always better though especially from a clean amp. If a budget is your concern the alpine will work fine but leave you room for upgrade and more performance from that speaker.

 

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