ya but your thread turned into a forum war, and mine is a normal conversation, but honestly im tired of bickering about stupid fvckin forums on the internet, i mean its a forum who cares which is better than another. and now to you ngsm13 your a retard, first you come saying doing 127 with 2 6.5's in an abc with 300wrms is easy, and say you can do better, but then you say your gonna use how much ever power you want in whatever box you want, thats so fvckin stupid, sure make 6th order and plug those 6.5 into a wall socket and im sure they can do better than 127, but make an abc box with 300rms and see how you do, that would be a fair comparison. and im still waiting for numbers you said you would have them yesterday whats the hold up.