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My point is proven when a smart person uses a meme off Facebook to defend Hunter Biden’s corrupt money making, for example. For god sakes, look it up yourself. You may not like the Trump family, but they were making millions in legitimate business dealings for many years before getting the White...

No one is going to look anything up. If it requires more reading than a Facebook meme, Americans won’t care. We have literally become such shallow thinkers that any information that goes against what our Facebook feeds says is dismissed out of hand. That’s why I push to talk about individual...

Right. The accord that actually does nothing. Have you even looked at what countries around the world have pledged in this “accord”? We should be in it, but we need someone with the guts to call it out as a shill environmental organization. China literally pledged to raise emissions for the next...

A real liberal would hate Obama for giving the subsidies back to the oil companies in 2016 and killing the planet, just to lower gas prices.

And the reason gas prices fall and rise is supply and demand. Obama ended subsidies, which environmental groups wanted, and he choked off some supply to raise prices on purpose to push towards electric. If you’re a real liberal, you should be for that, but it’s fake virtues on yet another...

Gas prices were 2.00 national average by 2016. Not too bad by then. This “handed me a mess” crap is just political rhetoric repeated. What specific tax policy did you disagree with that Obama changed for the better? I never get a straight answer on this. The payroll tax that employers pay is BS...

Google search 2001 through 2009 gas prices, then 2009 through 2017 gas prices and tell me what you find for the national average. Why are you even arguing this with memes?

just google search it. Not sure how gas works where you lI’ve, but Tucson went over 4.00 per gallon for awhile. Had to use a credit card for company vehicles. Why did you take a picture of the gas pump back in 2016?

That’s a BS picture bubbly. 2008 had low prices, but by 2013, gas prices were 3.50 per gallon average

Let’s get specific here The wall never worked. Bill Clinton closed the border in 1994, and it’s only gotten worse year after year. Again, no democrat has ever fixed it down here. Bill Clinton started the madness closing the border in the first place.

Taxes went up for my small business under obama. Gas prices also doubled. I received a payroll tax holiday under Bush that neither Obama or Trump gave. What specific tax helped you under Obama? I can’t think of one.

It seems like the only thing a democrat has to do to get elected is deflect any rational argument on policy to “But see how bad trump ******”. We are fixin to elect some real morons over the next 4 years if thats the only standard.

I lived it also, and the housing crash was 30 years in the making from corrupt regulations that still aren’t fixed, which started and was perpetuated under numerous presidents. As far as the virus, politicians arent Jesus. I’m no trump fan for numerous reasons, but to think that if a different...

It wasn’t terrible under Obama either. The tax rates haven’t changed too much for us poor folk no matter who is president.

The economy wasn’t terrible under trump, but it was skewed corporate. It wouldn’t have mattered who was president when shutting down the economy for a pandemic. That’s not a very well thought out argument.

did you read that on Facebook or something?

Obama/Biden drone bombed twice as many people as Bush did. Where were the anti war liberals holding their own apparent virtues to account then? Nowhere. I can go on a and on and on as to why I am an ex-democrat

I live on the border. Obama added to the cages, but they were really created in 1994 by bill clinton. It was literally made illegal under the Obama presidency to leave water out here in the desert for thirsty people. Where was the outrage? Where were the bleeding heart liberals then?I heard zero...

We all used to KNOW that our politicians were corrupt and shitty, back when dissent was still the purest form of patriotism. We now have a population of people who believe that these same politicians, who we know are corrupt, are the people who can fix all of our most pressing issues. issue By...

Not a single specific policy or issue has been debated in this entire thread, or the trump thread. No individual ideas even exist it seems. We all just regurgitate some crap we heard on the news or social media, then we use confirmation bias to filter out any facts that don’t match our already...

This is true. One of the problems today is the manipulation of information though, especially on social media. It isnt easy to filter through all the brain washing and virtue signaling even with the major news agencies. We aren’t being told the whole truth in my opinion. Both sides are right and...

this thread makes my decision to ditch the liberals look better and better every day. All we do is repeat some crap we hear on social media or NBC. Like covid deaths. Just as many people would’ve died under Biden. Are liberals claiming that they could’ve literally stopped a virus? Being...

About everything you just mentioned can’t happen due to corruption. Private prisons are a corrupt disaster. The way government contracts are used in all industries is corrupted, even beyond the military contracts.

Everything in America is supply and demand. If there are 150 people who want a job, and you only need 20, you have to pay whatever the minimum wage is. If there are 10 people who want the job, and you need 20, your pay has to raise to tempt in more people. The numbers are obviously in the...

At some point we have to realize that corruption could possibly still be the problem, not the actual way our government operates. We rely on government more and more to solve big problems as a natural evolution of society, in my opinion. Which is why little elements of socialism, starting with...

Pathetic losers defend candidates who are fake liberals simply because they saw some BS in the last year without looking up their actual history before voting for them. We must hear losers in a completely different way. I actually want my democrat candidate to stand for something.

A killer doesn’t need 300 guns to kill people anyway. 1 gun kills just fine. The left has some stupid ideas. They have a law in Boulder Colorado that you can’t build a 4 car garage, claiming it’s a law to help the environment, as if someone can actually drive 4 cars simultaneously in the first...

I’m just surprised that more people can’t come out and dislike trump and dislike Biden simultaneously. partisan voting has become a stupid religion essentially.The fact that the democrats will elect an 80 year old white career politician with a suspect voting record in the primaries is where...

Face it fellas. WE ARE ALL BRAINWASHED. When I see people on this forum using the exact same words as social media posts, it’s a dead give away. It’s called confirmation bias, and we all have it. We don’t look for actual truth, we look for snippets of evidence to support what we already believe...