Current events discussion

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

It's not about the individual votes but the census. Greater population means more reps in a state and which states are "sanctuary" states?

Good point. I remember Elon commenting on this.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

You choose to believe your feelings...I linked a timeline of what and how it went down...there's plenty of blame to spread around but you're only on orange man bad...

No, I get it. Trump is blameless for sending his people to riot. And the BLM and LA riots.....nobody is to blame. Glad that we got this all settled.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

No, I get it. Trump is blameless for sending his people to riot. And the BLM and LA riots.....nobody is to blame. Glad that we got this all settled.

You still haven't provided anything but your feelings that was Trump's intent...without that intent your argument falls flat...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Trump's the president. He has the authority to send in whoever he wants. Hell....he's mobilizing the military against U.S. citizens right now. So why didn't he do anything?

Nah....I've shown the video of his rally....where he directed his people to the capitol. A rally where he used rhetoric about "fighting like hell". He knew exactly what he was doing. Which is why he sat back and let it happen. And then pardoned the rioters.

But again....if you choose to ignore his role....that's fine. By that logic....nobody owns the LA riots. No blame to assign for the BLM riots either. Good to know.

Trump is no mobilizing the military against "US citizens." Trump mobilized the military to stop the riots.

Actually there are groups responsible for these riots, dropping off face masks, etc. Not the same as the J6 riots, but let's pretend the riots are some spontaneous occurrence. Why are they called the BLM riots - because BLM helped organize the protests.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Trump is no mobilizing the military against "US citizens." Trump mobilized the military to stop the riots.

Actually there are groups responsible for these riots, dropping off face masks, etc. Not the same as the J6 riots, but let's pretend the riots are some spontaneous occurrence. Why are they called the BLM riots - because BLM helped organize the protests.

If Trump had mobilized the military on j6...it'd be the same argument as now...he's a dictator trying to seize power...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Without knowing the circumstances surrounding this....it's incomplete information.

Edit....this happened a couple of days ago based on what I could find. And it had nothing to do with vandalism or violence. Police were just trying to break up the crowd. Hardly a sign of rioting.

I'm pointing out they've already started shyt and the protest hasn't technically started.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

You still haven't provided anything but your feelings that was Trump's intent...without that intent your argument falls flat...

Right. And we have no intent from democratic leaders on any other riots. We're on the same page. Nobody is to blame except the individuals who commit the law breaking.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

If Trump had mobilized the military on j6...it'd be the same argument as now...he's a dictator trying to seize power...

Exactly. The left was saying that prior to the J6 riots so they're just as responsible as Trump for the military being late to the show.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

Trump is no mobilizing the military against "US citizens." Trump mobilized the military to stop the riots.

Actually there are groups responsible for these riots, dropping off face masks, etc. Not the same as the J6 riots, but let's pretend the riots are some spontaneous occurrence. Why are they called the BLM riots - because BLM helped organize the protests.

BLM organized the protests. Trump organized the march to the capitol.

I'm pointing out they've already started shyt and the protest hasn't technically started.

What shit did they start? I can't find anything regarding laws broken or anything of the sort. Based on what I could find....it was crowd control. And we all know that police never use unnecessary force....

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Right. And we have no intent from democratic leaders on any other riots. We're on the same page. Nobody is to blame except the individuals who commit the law breaking.

I haven't blamed dem "leaders" for anything other then their lack of response then going to court because a response was taken...you've obviously been to busy trying to score points for your team to realize I don't care about either team...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You still haven't provided anything but your feelings that was Trump's intent...without that intent your argument falls flat...

Exactly we don't know his intent. Nevertheless, Trump does deserve same blame. The best analogy is
Trump stacked up some firewood, then he put some kindling next to the firewood, then he put some firestarter next to the firewood, then he put some matches next to the firewood and poof the next you thing you know we have a fire. Was it intentional - who knows.

OTOH, we have the left following the same play book to stoke the same playbook and IMHO, it looks a lot more intentional than Trump.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

I haven't blame dem "leaders" for anything other then their lack of response then going to court because a response was taken...you've obviously to busy trying to score points for your team to realize I don't care about either team...

What are you talking about? I thought we came to an agreement that riots are blameless outside of the individuals committing the crimes. No fault attributable to Trump for January 6th and no fault to dems for BLM or the LA riots. We don't care about either "team"!

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

BLM organized the protests. Trump organized the march to the capitol.

Trump organized a march to the capitol, he didn't tell them riot when they got there any more than BLM told their protesters to loot and burn the cities.

What shit did they start? I can't find anything regarding laws broken or anything of the sort. Based on what I could find....it was crowd control. And we all know that police never use unnecessary force....

They wouldn't disperse and they were trying to march out onto i-25 and block the highway. I've lived in Denver my whole life and DPD is pretty darn lenient.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

What are you talking about? I thought we came to an agreement that riots are blameless outside of the individuals committing the crimes. No fault attributable to Trump for January 6th and no fault to dems for BLM or the LA riots. We don't care about either "team"!

You're the one that interjected "dem leaders"

I blame the non-profits and individuals funding this bs...and dipshits rioting...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

What are you talking about? I thought we came to an agreement that riots are blameless outside of the individuals committing the crimes. No fault attributable to Trump for January 6th and no fault to dems for BLM or the LA riots. We don't care about either "team"!

Can't you see the distinction? There is a difference between contributing to starting the riots and not acting to snuff them out or suing TrumpCo for sending in the military to assist the police - in essence giving the rioters their blessing.