Current events discussion

[ThxOne Premium Member]

No, because the JUSTICE SYSTEM says so.
You do realize all this information is available to YOU too, yes?

You can reference factual data to form your beliefs and opinions with, instead of just constantly making up incorrect shit and then insisting you are correct.

As simple as you are, you MUST realize at least that.

Obama said if you are here illegally you will be deported.
Trump said if you are here illegally you will be deported.

Why are you ok with Obama saying this but not ok with Trump saying the exact... same... thing?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Triggered there fella?

If that means that I'm consistently give steps ahead of you in any discussion, sure.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Obama said if you are here illegally you will be deported.
Trump said if you are here illegally you will be deported.

Why are you ok with Obama saying this but not ok with Trump saying the exact... same... thing?

Are you genuinely mentally deficient?
You really think it's about what they "said", and not about the actions?

Obama and Biden did it legally. Trump is doing it illegally.
Do you honestly think that the lawsuits and court decisions are about what any POTUS "said"?
Holy shit.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Are you genuinely mentally deficient?
You really think it's about what they "said", and not about the actions?

Obama and Biden did it legally. Trump is doing it illegally.
Do you honestly think that the lawsuits and court decisions are about what any POTUS "said"?
Holy shit.

They both said this before any actions were taken. So why be cool with Obama and not Trump? Same message.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Are you genuinely mentally deficient?
You really think it's about what they "said", and not about the actions?

Obama and Biden did it legally. Trump is doing it illegally.
Do you honestly think that the lawsuits and court decisions are about what any POTUS "said"?
Holy shit.

How did Obama do it?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

How did Obama do it?

Legally.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Legally.

So due process of law... these immigrants would go before a judge to determine if deportation was necessary correct?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Stop searching **** face and answer.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Obama had 313,000 non judicial deportations in FY 2012.

"The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers." - ACLU

Go **** you legal lies Rob. Obama did not do it legally.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You can tell when Rob is frantically searching... he goes silent.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

When you said we shoulkd eny people the right of due process, THAT is a statement that we shouldn't follow the COTUS

You may not think it, but the SCOTUS has confirmed the protection of the rights of ilelgals on our soil:
Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953); see also Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976) (There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.); Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 215 (1982) (holding that unlawfully present aliens were entitled to both due process and equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment).

Why do you guys keep citing those cases? Nobody is depriving anybody of life, liberty or property; they're being deported. You're cherry picking in the Plyler case, which was specific to elementary education and not the broad protections that you claim.

I'm can only assume you didn't actually read Mathews v Diaz since it (also) conflicts with your position. You have to be careful of your sources. I assume some leftie cherry picked this case using a keyword search and didn't bother to reading it. Quiet embarrassing.

Further, the Court held that disparate treatment between noncitizens is not necessarily unconstitutional. Noncitizens are a heterogeneous group. While there is no affirmative duty to extend the benefits of citizenship to noncitizens, Congress is free to extend benefits to any sub-group of noncitizens it finds reasonable.

Again I think somebody did a word a search came up with this case and didn't bother to read it or hoped others wouldn't. Shaughnessy grants LAWFUL RESIDENT NONCITIZENS a constitutional right to due process. The courts says traditional standards of fairness for those who entered illegally. I assume that means a parallel system that operates more like mediation would be considered "fair." I have to assume there is some reason they just don't say due process, but word salad it with "traditional standards of fairness."

The Court held that a noncitizen’s Fifth Amendment right to procedural due process differs according to his or her circumstances. Lawful resident noncitizens possess a constitutional right to procedural due process that is not easily removed. In limited circumstances, if a lawful resident noncitizen is temporarily absent from the United States, the right to due process may still exist. Any noncitizen within the United States also has a constitutional right to traditional standards of fairness, regardless of whether they entered the country lawfully or unlawfully.

It is true that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness-encompassed in due process of law.

Humans are born with rights. Rights are not something that are granted or given.
We all have them.

Actually, we're not born with rights. Rights are granted and taken by those in power. The right to vote for example.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So you don't even know what Trump was referencing, yet you are "pretty damn sure" of what you and the rest of the people who parroted Trump meant when you all repeated the nickname?
Interesting.

See that's where you got it all wrong. I didn't parrot Trump. I'm sure most people are blissfully unaware of where they first heard Sleepy Joe. I certainly didn't do an extensive google search when I started using the moniker to ensure I was using it properly because I'm sure most people "just got it." I wouldn't even know Trump was the first person to use "Sleepy Joe" if it weren't for your insatiable need to be right.

You must have missed the part about Trump calling him "Sleepy Joe" and questioning his intelligence in the next sentence, which suggests he may have been referring to something other than literal sleep. Additionally, Trump referred to Bernie Sanders as "Crazy Bernie Sanders" in a tweet a few days earlier; are we to assume that Trump thinks Sanders is literally insane? Additionally, the earliest use of "Sleepy Joe" I can find is April 17th 2019. IIRC, the videos of Biden catnapping at various events didn't surface until he was POTUS, so it doesn't appear that Trump was using "Sleepy Joe" literally. But don't let that stop you from telling us that we were using Sleepy Joe literally.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/25/trump-sleepy-joe-biden-2020-1289824

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Trump doing his best to cut wasteful spending.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

See that's where you got it all wrong. I didn't parrot Trump. I'm sure most people are blissfully unaware of where they first heard Sleepy Joe. I certainly didn't do an extensive google search when I started using the moniker to ensure I was using it properly because I'm sure most people "just got it." I wouldn't even know Trump was the first person to use "Sleepy Joe" if it weren't for your insatiable need to be right.

You must have missed the part about Trump calling him "Sleepy Joe" and questioning his intelligence in the next sentence, which suggests he may have been referring to something other than literal sleep. Additionally, Trump referred to Bernie Sanders as "Crazy Bernie Sanders" in a tweet a few days earlier; are we to assume that Trump thinks Sanders is literally insane? Additionally, the earliest use of "Sleepy Joe" I can find is April 17th 2019. IIRC, the videos of Biden catnapping at various events didn't surface until he was POTUS, so it doesn't appear that Trump was using "Sleepy Joe" literally. But don't let that stop you from telling us that we were using Sleepy Joe literally.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/25/trump-sleepy-joe-biden-2020-1289824

Wasn't there some memes about Ice Cream as well?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]