Current events discussion

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

And?
While interesting reading, that doesn't prove your belief that the COTUS and SCOTUS are wrong.

"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"

Oh? It seems that industries have been unable to fill the positions vacated when people are deported.
Where are all the Americans lining up to fill those jobs?

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"with those jobs being almost impossible to replace"
Huh.

Funny thing is those meat plant workers are a lot of the people I encounter that are on Medicare/aid, which Rob claims is an impossibility.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You've argued it over a dozen or more posts. I'm not going to quote every single one.
"You think that a person can break our laws, enter this country by violating our laws and they get the convenience of due process???" -Thxone

Yes... due process is a ******* reward that we are giving to people who violate our laws by entering this country illegally. I believe there is something morally and ethically wrong with that.

Ahhhh, so "they're taking our jobs" is bullshit, since no American wants to work that hard for that level of pay.
Got it.

Rob, would you take a job for $5 per hour? I mean why pay an American a "living wage" when we can just employ illegals at half the price right?

Been awake for over 8 hours. how about you?



Says the guy who thinks the COTUS only protects the rights of US Citizens.

They shouldn't protect you.

You DO realize what kinds of jobs the immigrants do for the hotel and farming industries, yes?
Were you under the impression they were CEOs, CFOs, in-house legal counsel?

Don't try to spin out of your racist comments now. Own that you liberal racist. America knows why liberals want illegals here... it's so you don't have to do the jobs they are willing to do. You soft skinned little woman.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Clearly you think the COTUS is wrong, just like you were being literal when posting Sleepy Joe.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You didn't "move right past" when your smooth brain was convinced that I was wrong in how I presented that idiom....even though you were wrong. lol. It's the dunning-kruger effect.....over and over again. No matter how incorrect you are....it won't stop you from spewing idiocy without even bothering to do the minimal amount of investigation. The dumbing down of America in action. This is how we ended up with Diaper Don again.

Wow... I guess I was wrong. You are just as dumb as Rob. (literally)

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

It's part of the discussion.
You are suggesting we not follow the COTUS, and that your belief is that the SCOTUS is wrong when they say illegal immigrants are "persons".

Why do you keep doing this? I've never said we shouldn't follow COTUS. I don't think the SCOTUS has ever said "persons" in the COTUS applies to all people within our borders or that illegals have all the same rights granted to our citizens.

You suggested we drop COTUS protections of the rights of certain persons, and that the SCOTUS did not interpret the COTUS correctly.

If they're illegal aliens they don't deserve the full set of rights citizens deserve.

"We aren't being literal", when Trump himself made the statement about "“a sleepy guy in the basement of a house”.

It's only Wiki, but no one has offered any other suggestions: "Coined by American current president Donald Trump in 2019, likely in reference to a series of videos where Biden appears to occasionally fall asleep during important meetings and television interviews."
So he coined it regarding Biden appearing to fall asleep, but he really meant something else altogether.

I don't understand why you can't understand simple concepts. First of all, the Wiki entry says "likely." I provided a Wiki that says it was in reference to Biden being "mentally slow" or, as Biden's biographer said, Biden's incoherence. Ultimately, the name stuck because "Sleepy Joe" covers everything: Joe's mental decline, Joe's lack of balance, Joe's poor sense of direction, Joe's inability to follow directions, that sleepy look on his face in the later half of his term as POTUS, he lethargic movement, and even Joe's occasional poorly timed naps. I don't know what Trump was referencing, but I suspect like the rest of us he was using as a catch all. Personally, I don't care how Trump was using it, I'm pretty damn sure the rest of us weren't using it literally. So this is the ~10th different way I've explained it to you and I'm sure you'll continue to insist we were using it literally.

I guess it's like "in" not meaning "in".

No it's nothing like "in" not meaning "in." In the case of nerves being in bones, in is being used literally.

And there are plenty of references out there about how the nickname has backfired since Trump started falling asleep at multiple public events, including his own court hearings.
“Don Snoreleone.” “Donnie Nappleseed.” “Sleepy Don.”

No it hasn't backfired. Don Snoreleone is almost funny. Just stick with Orange Man - it works.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

While simultaneously blowing Trump out of the water (another metaphor; Trump is not a battleship) in numbers of deportations:
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It's kind of like how the people who describe Joe as completely inept and incapable were also describing him as a criminal mastermind in all the "crimes" he pulled off as POTUS.

Just because Obama set records doesn't mean the general approach to our southern border has been to be lax. That said in the past ~45 years, I'd say Obama is only second to Trump on dealing with the border.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Yes... due process is a ******* reward that we are giving to people who violate our laws by entering this country illegally. I believe there is something morally and ethically wrong with that.

Rob, would you take a job for $5 per hour? I mean why pay an American a "living wage" when we can just employ illegals at half the price right?

They shouldn't protect you.

Don't try to spin out of your racist comments now. Own that you liberal racist. America knows why liberals want illegals here... it's so you don't have to do the jobs they are willing to do. You soft skinned little woman.

It's due process, gift cards, food, healthcare, housing, etc. They're getting jobs and economic opportunity too. What do we get in return: riots. I wonder how much "due process" I would get if I went to Mexico, burned the Mexican flag while waving the American flag and bitched & moaned about how awful Mexico is?

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

You may see a big difference between allowing riots and going easy on prosecuting rioters vs pardoning rioters - I don't. The J6ers got it way worse than the BLM rioters.

Trump is not acting like a dictator. It's the Army's 250th Anniversary Parade. Furthermore, given that Russia doesn't seem interested in the peace table and Israel is clearly planning for a continuing conflict with Iran, I don't think a show of force is a bad thing.

Why is it always anything but cut spending with the left?

Because it's coming from the president. Republicans have long made the excuse of "state's rights" when it comes to overruling federal law. Whether state prosecutors decide to go hard against BLM rioters is state discretion. As I stated, it's not as though Walz, Newsome, or Bass were personally telling state prosecutors to drop the cases. What Trump did by pardoning January 6th rioters....wiping the slate clean....is entirely different. And it's not just that he gave pardons.....he gave BLANKET PARDONS. To ALL OF THEM. To the ones on video assaulting capitol police. Can you imagine the hissy fit that republicans would throw if Walz, Newsome, or Bass would have pardoned a BLM rioter who was on video assaulting police officers?

My entire point is that there's a major double standard going on here. Trump

How does Trump pardoning Colton for J6 let him off the hook for child p0rn?

It hasn't yet. This guy is arguing that they discovered his child **** while investigating him for his role in the riot. The same rationale that several other rioters have used to get subsequent, but related charges dropped. My point is that there is no rational excuse for a blanket pardon. Trump didn't pardon people that may have gotten a raw deal. He pardoned everyone. Including the ones doing some pretty despicable things. Hard to sit on the high horse of 'law and order' when it's openly disregarded by Dopey Don. Hell....just over the past couple weeks he went on a pardoning spree of people who families paid him. It's all gotten too ridiculous to believe.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Yes... due process is a ******* reward that we are giving to people who violate our laws by entering this country illegally. I believe there is something morally and ethically wrong with that.

So now you think peoples' rights are a "reward"?
You don't understand that we are born with rights, and the COTUS merely protects them?

Yet you think you are smart enough to argue the COTUS and SCOTUS are wrong.
Wow/

Rob, would you take a job for $5 per hour? I mean why pay an American a "living wage" when we can just employ illegals at half the price right?

Another reversal of your own argument. Before, you insisted that low-paying jobs are for people just getting into the wrokforce, and that they should just get a promotion or better job if they want more money.

Now you are suddenly worried about people getting a living wage?
Make up your mind.

They shouldn't protect you.

Another deflection. Are deflections all you have?

Don't try to spin out of your racist comments now. Own that you liberal racist.

You think it's racist to say that illegals who work in the hotel industry are doing housecleaning, and in the farm industry are doing cabbag picking?
Tell me, what jobs do you think they hold in those industries? Middle management? Upper management? Owners? Corporate pilots?

America knows why liberals want illegals here... it's so you don't have to do the jobs they are willing to do. You soft skinned little woman.

Interesting statement, right after you are crying that the illegals are "takin' our jobs!!!", yet say the jobs don't pay enough for Americans to work them.

You can't even keep your arguments consistent within the same posts.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The leftist idiots have had a non-stop protest at the Capitol since Trump got elected anyway. Literally, the idiots are there protesting something or the every weekend. These professional protesters trash the fawking place too. Hopefully, riots don't break out, but the left has lost their minds, so I suspect they'll try to block major roads and the highway and will resort to violence. I see Aurora isn't on the list, but there is an ICE detention center in Aurora and they've already gathered there, so it's likely some violence could break out there too. It's funny to see Parker and Castle Rock on the protest list - those cities are very unfriendly toward the illegal alien and homeless communities.

What to know about 'No Kings' protests scheduled across Colorado Saturday

Thousands are expected to take to the streets across Colorado on Saturday as part of a national day of action against the Trump administration.

www.denver7.com

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

Wow... I guess I was wrong. You are just as dumb as Rob. (literally)

Says the smooth brain who thinks that January 6th rioters didn't cause damage to the capitol or attack capitol police....despite extensive evidence.

Also.....

Working with someone who's more than a few sandwiches short of a picnic. On the bright side....you continue to meet my expectations.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Says the smooth brain who thinks that January 6th rioters didn't cause damage to the capitol or attack capitol police....despite extensive evidence.

Also.....

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Working with someone who's more than a few sandwiches short of a picnic. On the bright side....you continue to meet my expectations.

It's like you and Rob ignore what people say, focus on trigger words and gotcha moments. You two are the sperm that should have been swallowed.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

It's like you and Rob ignore what people say, focus on trigger words and gotcha moments. You two are the sperm that should have been swallowed.

It's not my fault that your posts get more idiotic as time goes on. Maybe you should have an adult look them over before you post. Save yourself some embarrassment.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Why do you keep doing this? I've never said we shouldn't follow COTUS. I don't think the SCOTUS has ever said "persons" in the COTUS applies to all people within our borders or that illegals have all the same rights granted to our citizens.

When you said we shoulkd eny people the right of due process, THAT is a statement that we shouldn't follow the COTUS

You may not think it, but the SCOTUS has confirmed the protection of the rights of ilelgals on our soil:
Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953); see also Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976) (There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.); Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 215 (1982) (holding that unlawfully present aliens were entitled to both due process and equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment).

If they're illegal aliens they don't deserve the full set of rights citizens deserve.

Humans are born with rights. Rights are not something that are granted or given.
We all have them.

I don't understand why you can't understand simple concepts. First of all, the Wiki entry says "likely." I provided a Wiki that says it was in reference to Biden being "mentally slow" or, as Biden's biographer said, Biden's incoherence. Ultimately, the name stuck because "Sleepy Joe" covers everything: Joe's mental decline, Joe's lack of balance, Joe's poor sense of direction, Joe's inability to follow directions, that sleepy look on his face in the later half of his term as POTUS, he lethargic movement, and even Joe's occasional poorly timed naps. I don't know what Trump was referencing, but I suspect like the rest of us he was using as a catch all. Personally, I don't care how Trump was using it, I'm pretty damn sure the rest of us weren't using it literally. So this is the ~10th different way I've explained it to you and I'm sure you'll continue to insist we were using it literally.

So you don't even know what Trump was referencing, yet you are "pretty damn sure" of what you and the rest of the people who parroted Trump meant when you all repeated the nickname?
Interesting.

No it's nothing like "in" not meaning "in." In the case of nerves being in bones, in is being used literally.

No it hasn't backfired. Don Snoreleone is almost funny. Just stick with Orange Man - it works.

I admit I had never heard the Snoreleone one, and it gave me a chuckle.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So now you think peoples' rights are a "reward"?
You don't understand that we are born with rights, and the COTUS merely protects them?

We? Who is we? The illegal immigrants? Are they we?

Yet you think you are smart enough to argue the COTUS and SCOTUS are wrong.
Wow/

5th time. liar.

Another reversal of your own argument. Before, you insisted stated that low-paying jobs are for people just getting into the wrokforce, <--- (spelling error) and that they should just get a promotion or better job if they want more money.

Now you are suddenly worried about people getting a living wage?
Make up your mind.

Pointing out that you argued about living wages but where is your bleeding heart for these illegals earning a living wage? Is it just when you want to clash with the right that you have an opinion?

Another deflection. Are deflections all you have?

I guess so.

You think it's racist to say that illegals who work in the hotel industry are doing housecleaning, and in the farm industry are doing cabbag picking?
Tell me, what jobs do you think they hold in those industries? Middle management? Upper management? Owners? Corporate pilots?

I think they work jobs at lower wages because they are making more than they would at home... which is where they send their earning anyway.

Interesting statement, right after you are crying that the illegals are "takin' our jobs!!!", yet say the jobs don't pay enough for Americans to work them.

Yes, businesses will pay illegals less than they would have to pay Americans for the same job.

You can't even keep your arguments consistent within the same posts.

My arguments are fine until you attempt to spin them.