Current events discussion

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So if I say...

The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

I want you to plagiarize that sentence for me. I want to see if you really understand.

Apparently YOU don't understand. Someone else created that sentence for a very specific reason.
You are passing it off as your own without putting it in quotes, and without crediting the generally-accepted author.

So I will plagiarize them: The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

Are you going to explain your point in bringing up plagiarism in the discussion of verbatim quotes?
Or, is this just another situation where you wanted to share something you just learned, even though it has no relevance to the discussion?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Jesus Christ Rob, they are using the word verbatim in a sentence!!

They are using it in a quote that is a verbatim quote of a partial sentence.
Are you suggesting if someone uses the word verbatim in a sentence, you can't make a verbatim quote of what they said?
What if they say "quote" in a sentence? Can you quote the sentence?

Would that be like dividing by zero, or creating a wind-driven vehicle that goes faster than the wind?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The problem is to prove that somebody is receiving Medicare/aid, you'd have to provide the subscriber number and what is that subscriber number attached to: all the PII and any medical procedure or drug received using that subscriber #.

Redact the last few digits and last name.

I'm sure as fawk not going to provide Robbo with a bunch of people's medicare #s to prove a point, when Congress, NPR, et al have already proven that illegals are receiving medicare/aid. Additionally, you have states that have created work arounds such as shuffling citizens off state healthcare onto medicare/aid so that they expand their state healthcare programs for illegals. All this has been widely documented.

In other words, you can't prove your claim. Yet.

By the way, how are you determining that these Medicare recipients are non-citizens? Are you breaking the "minimum necessary" rule, and running background checks on them? If so, how? Running their SSN or name or other info through LexisNexis? CLEAR? Deep web search?

The same SSN that has to be provided in order to verify they are a citizen/LPR/etc (a federally-paid Medicaid and Medicare requirement)?

HOW are you verifying that these illegal immigrants are getting federally-paid Medicaid or Medicare?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

A few people in the J6 riot were convicted of "insurrection" or more accurately seditious conspiracy. What separated these individuals from others who weren't charged with seditious conspiracy: planning!!!

Conspiracy - Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal act, along with an intent to achieve the agreement's goal. Most U.S. jurisdictions also require an overt act toward furthering the agreement.

Don't rely on movies or TV to form an idea of what these legal terms mean.
Conspiracy under law can be achieved in a matter of moments. Literally, a person can say to another "Let's go break into that abandoned building". When the other person agrees and they go off to do it, they have conspired.
They do not need to sit in a smoky room around an old table under a 25 watt bulb, drafting their master plan.

I'm not going to call J6 an insurrection due to the fact a couple morons thought they were going to overthrow the gov't. Additionally, I don't portray the BLM riots as an insurrection even though a small number of BLM rioters created the CHAZ and IIRC took over a police precinct. Since you're a very consistent person, I'm sure if I searched thru this thread, I'd find that you consistently refer to both the J6 riots and BLM riots as insurrections. I'm certain you wouldn't do something like downplay the BLM riots as just some innocent looting, when indeed the rioters created lawless zones that persisted for day and weeks in numerous cities.

I've never called the BLM riots insurrections, nor would I call the J6 events a "riot".
And I never downplayed the BLM riots. Any time they were brought up, I stated that they were illegal, that I did not support them, and that the people who were arrested and charged were done rightfully so.

I even went so far as to outline the specific laws that they were charged and convicted under, when certain members claimed that there was NO court action against ANY of the rioters.
I also referenced those laws when they said the rioters should have been hit with the same charges as the shitheels from J6. That's not how law works.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Conspiracy - Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal act, along with an intent to achieve the agreement's goal. Most U.S. jurisdictions also require an overt act toward furthering the agreement.

Don't rely on movies or TV to form an idea of what these legal terms mean.
Conspiracy under law can be achieved in a matter of moments. Literally, a person can say to another "Let's go break into that abandoned building". When the other person agrees and they go off to do it, they have conspired.
They do not need to sit in a smoky room around an old table under a 25 watt bulb, drafting their master plan.


I've never called the BLM riots insurrections, nor would I call the J6 events a "riot".
And I never downplayed the BLM riots. Any time they were brought up, I stated that they were illegal, that I did not support them, and that the people who were arrested and charged were done rightfully so.

I even went so far as to outline the specific laws that they were charged and convicted under, when certain members claimed that there was NO court action against ANY of the rioters.
I also referenced those laws when they said the rioters should have been hit with the same charges as the shitheels from J6. That's not how law works.

But the BLM riots weren't an insurrection, despite the fact that they meet the easy target that you just laid out. Hell, they set up an autonomous zone for 3 weeks. Interesting how that works.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

@RobGMN - looks like a politically motivated decision. This establishes that only the Federal gov't can decide if the Federal gov't is violating voting laws. Yet another example of the Federal courts seemingly ignoring the law and making a decision based on party loyalty.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/14/politics/voting-rights-act-gets-major-blow-from-appeals-court

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

The problem is to prove that somebody is receiving Medicare/aid, you'd have to provide the subscriber number and what is that subscriber number attached to: all the PII and any medical procedure or drug received using that subscriber #.

I'm sure as fawk not going to provide Robbo with a bunch of people's medicare #s to prove a point, when Congress, NPR, et al have already proven that illegals are receiving medicare/aid. Additionally, you have states that have created work arounds such as shuffling citizens off state healthcare onto medicare/aid so that they expand their state healthcare programs for illegals. All this has been widely documented.

I wouldn't give him jack either.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Apparently YOU don't understand. Someone else created that sentence for a very specific reason.
You are passing it off as your own without putting it in quotes, and without crediting the generally-accepted author.

So I will plagiarize them: The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

Are you going to explain your point in bringing up plagiarism in the discussion of verbatim quotes?
Or, is this just another situation where you wanted to share something you just learned, even though it has no relevance to the discussion?

You can't just shut the hell up and do what is ask of you. I didn't ask for any your smart *** comments.

To the point. To plagiarize that sentence you would have to copy it word for word. From "The" to "dog." and every word in between. THAT is a verbatim quote. If all you did was partially quote it, something like "the fox jumped over the dog" then you have not plagiarized it as it is not a verbatim quote. It is a partial quote.

I don't know how you have not been sued at your job by these people you claim to prosecute if you can't even copy sentences correctly. Then again, your entire time on this site is spent writing interpretations and paraphrases from your own mind and claiming that is what others said. Promoted 4 times. Pffft.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

They are using it in a quote that is a verbatim quote of a partial sentence.
Are you suggesting if someone uses the word verbatim in a sentence, you can't make a verbatim quote of what they said?
What if they say "quote" in a sentence? Can you quote the sentence?

Would that be like dividing by zero, or creating a wind-driven vehicle that goes faster than the wind?

The story of the left. Argue argue argue and have no clue what they are arguing about. I bet the only way you passed test at your special needs school was because the answers were multiple choice and the answer was always D - All of the above. You know, gotta be able to give you that participation trophy.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I wouldn't give him jack either.

No shyt. Even if law enforcement came in here looking for record access, I'd refer them HIM & the Legal Dept and some rando on a random forum expects me to send him a bunch of records. Even if I did so in manner that didn't violate HIPAA, I'd get fired and could forget about working in the industry again. Of all the stupid attacks people have had in this forum, I think that has to be the stupidest.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The story of the left. Argue argue argue and have no clue what they are arguing about. I bet the only way you passed test at your special needs school was because the answers were multiple choice and the answer was always D - All of the above. You know, gotta be able to give you that participation trophy.

TDS & EDS are powerful. Look at how they turned on Joe Rogan over wanting bodily autonomy. Today's left won't accept you taking one step outside the narrative.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

But the BLM riots weren't an insurrection, despite the fact that they meet the easy target that you just laid out. Hell, they set up an autonomous zone for 3 weeks. Interesting how that works.

insurrection - an organized and usually violent act of revolt or rebellion against an established government or governing authority of a nation-state or other political entity

What government authority, nation state, or political entity were they attacking?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

@RobGMN - looks like a politically motivated decision. This establishes that only the Federal gov't can decide if the Federal gov't is violating voting laws. Yet another example of the Federal courts seemingly ignoring the law and making a decision based on party loyalty.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/14/politics/voting-rights-act-gets-major-blow-from-appeals-court

That's interesting.
So despite 400 cases being brought forth and argued by individuals since 1982, the 8th Circuit decides individuals can't bring cases.

I'd bet a quarter it goes to Supreme Court. Will be interesting to see what they decide, and why.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The story of the left. Argue argue argue and have no clue what they are arguing about. I bet the only way you passed test at your special needs school was because the answers were multiple choice and the answer was always D - All of the above. You know, gotta be able to give you that participation trophy.

You didn't speak to the proof you posted here that shows you are wrong in your beliefs and assumptions as to what a verbatim quote is.

You gave an example that shows a verbatim quote can indeed be a part of an original oratory or written expression, in contradiction to your belief that a verbatim quote must include every single word the person said or wrote.

Instead of wasting time typing your useless ad hominem, why don't you support your argument, and explain why the proof you offer contradicts your previously beliefs/opinions/assumptions/feelings.

For posterity, we'll do this again.

"A verbatim quote IS word for word exactly how it was originally written. ALL WORDS." -Thxone

And then you post this to "teach" us we are all wrong, and you are right.
An example that has a partial sentence as a verbatim quote.
An example that proves wrong your belief that a verbatim quote must be ALL WORDS originally written.

As I said, you proved yourself wrong again.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

No shyt. Even if law enforcement came in here looking for record access, I'd refer them HIM & the Legal Dept and some rando on a random forum expects me to send him a bunch of records. Even if I did so in manner that didn't violate HIPAA, I'd get fired and could forget about working in the industry again. Of all the stupid attacks people have had in this forum, I think that has to be the stupidest.

Nonsense, and you know it.
But an easy way to not have to prove your words.

And you didn't speak to how you "know" these Medicare recipients are illegal immigrants, when having an SSN and being a citizen/LPR/etc, is a federal requirement for Medicare and Medicaid.

Are they using someone else's SSN to apply and receive? Fake ID to pretend they are a person already eligible for MA/Mcre? Creating their own SSN and somehow getting it to pass the verification test?

HOW do you know they are illegal immigrants, and have you reported anything to anyone?