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    Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Long story short: I'm running 2 Orion HCCAs 12" black coil on Orion hcca 8k amp at 2 ohms (half power) built into a custom made box for my trunk of a 99 camery. I'm running 2 XS power 3100d batteries with 4 OTT power wire and 4OTT grounded to trunk. No big three upgrade. I had a 300 amp alt put in which went up to 19 volts and blew the starter fuse about 3 minutes after I got the car back from the shop. They took it out and reinstalled the original alt. I returned the alt for another from Ohio Genarator and they said the alt was fine but put in a new regulator anyway. Tom recommended the big three upgrade and also the ground from the rear batteries should be up front with at least a 2 Ott ground wire because when grounded to the rear chassis, it's like a 4 gauge wire going up to the front when a 2 ott is needed. Do I really need this? I've been driving around for the past 2 months with no big three upgrade and a stock alt and my voltage hasn't gone below 11.9. I did the big three upgrade and in about 2-4 minutes the voltage went from 14.4 to 11.5 so I disconnected it.

    My 3 questions:
    Do I really need the big three upgrade and a H/O alt?
    If I get the 300 amp alt re installed will my voltage stay at 14.4 with the subs at full tilt?
    And do I really need a ground going from the rear up to the front?

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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Yup
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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Yeah, how'd you know?




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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Big 3 a must.

    A HO alt? Not necessarily but would help later on down the road.



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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Yes do the the big 3
    The H/O alt will help so yes
    An I would it can't really hurt anything

    Even running your 8k at half power I would switch all your wire to 1/0 car audio wire or 2/0 welding wire, think of it like this:

    Your electrical is pumping water on a pipe you have a steady flow but not a lot of water by upgrading the size of your alt & wire your electrical could pump more water faster with the same steady flow bc to me dropping to that low of voltage is not good that's under resting voltage.



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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Also on that H/O alt was it external or internally regulated? If external you would need to set it to the voltage you want it to charge at



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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin175 View Post
    Also on that H/O alt was it external or internally regulated? If external you would need to set it to the voltage you want it to charge at
    So you did big three upgrade and voltage went from 14 volts to 11 volts ?? I dont even know how that could be possible ? Big three upgrade is just reinforcing your existing grounds ?

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    no ( could be possible but highly doubtful but I would guestimate high 12v at full tilt )
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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

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    Yeah, how'd you know?
    Because i know jason the owner and theyre the only authorized dealer for them around there and your car sounds like their install style.



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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris McNeeley View Post
    Because i know jason the owner and theyre the only authorized dealer for them around there and your car sounds like their install style.
    He's a good guy, he was able to work with me on what I wanted when a couple of other shops wouldn't.




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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

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    So you did big three upgrade and voltage went from 14 volts to 11 volts ?? I dont even know how that could be possible ? Big three upgrade is just reinforcing your existing grounds ?

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    The voltage drop is much faster with the big three upgrade. With out the upgrade the drop was much more gradual, from work to home the drive is around 15 minutes and the voltage is still around 12.3 when I get home. with the stereo turned up all he way the entire time. With the upgrade I'll be just getting on the freeway and it'll be at 11.5 and I'll have to turn it down. It's worse when I'm driving on side streets. With out the upgrade it stays above 12 volts and has only once went to 11.9 volts. With the upgrade and the alt installed I'm hoping to keep it at 14.4 volts. I lose 1670 watts when it hits 12.5 volts and that's a noticeable difference in sound and pressure. That's why I'm trying to keep it at 14.4 volts.




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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    sure u sanded the paint off the grounding points well? i don't understand how volts got worse in anyway..



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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Doing a Big 3 upgrade on an existing alternator isn't helping anything. The Big 3 allows more current to flow....so all u did was allow ur equipment to pull more current from ur existing factory alternator. Hence why the voltage is dropping lower now.

    U FIRST need an alternator that can keep up with the power demands......then the Big 3 is beneficial. They work together as a team.


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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrGreen83 View Post
    Doing a Big 3 upgrade on an existing alternator isn't helping anything. The Big 3 allows more current to flow....so all u did was allow ur equipment to pull more current from ur existing factory alternator. Hence why the voltage is dropping lower now.

    U FIRST need an alternator that can keep up with the power demands......then the Big 3 is beneficial. They work together as a team.


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    Thanks! That's what I was wondering.




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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrGreen83 View Post
    Doing a Big 3 upgrade on an existing alternator isn't helping anything. The Big 3 allows more current to flow....so all u did was allow ur equipment to pull more current from ur existing factory alternator. Hence why the voltage is dropping lower now.

    U FIRST need an alternator that can keep up with the power demands......then the Big 3 is beneficial. They work together as a team.


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    I disagree. Upgrading the big 3 is so much cheaper than buy an alt...which can be upwords of 700 bucks new for a 270-300 amperage one, and depending upon who(DC Audio, Singer, etc).

    He did mention he has extra batteries to be able to keep up with the electrical demand.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with replacing the charging wires 1st. Then at a later time, when money allows, then I would say get a HO alt.



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    Re: Do I really need an H/O alternator for 2 12" Orion hcca 2500 watt rms speakers?

    I missed the 2 batteries part. But obviously they aren't helping


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