Closed Thread
Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 58

Reload Thread: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

  1. #16
    audioholic's Avatar
    audioholic is offline Moderator



    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Parts Unknown
    Posts
    23,586
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    How are these companies copying it? Just by the shape? Or is there more there than just the shape? Kicker does not have a patent on the shape do they?







  2. #17
    denim's Avatar
    denim is offline SSAudio.com



    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    SSA HQ East
    Age
    37
    Posts
    28,193
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    15
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    wow polecat, I had no idea Hart was still designing subs,



    anyway to ask1059 could you please tone down the last sentence in your sig please
    thanks management





    CarAudio.com mod(original)

  3. #18
    `pr0digy's Avatar
    `pr0digy is offline - turbobricks.com -



    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Philadelphia, PA
    Posts
    1,676
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    So... One person heard the subs, and everyone else came and bashed them ? Because they are square... and from HiFonics... At least LISTEN to the ******* things first!



    HU: Apline 9815
    Sub: Image Dynamics 12 v3 @ ~ 28 hz
    Sub Amp: eD NiNe.1
    Comps: Looking towards ID CTX65cs
    Comp Amp: Needed! Got 150w x2 @ 4 ohms to sell ?

  4. #19
    ANeonRider's Avatar
    ANeonRider is offline teamSSAudio.com



    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Saskatoon, SK, CAN
    Age
    32
    Posts
    2,811
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    Quote Originally Posted by AsK 5109
    And just to let you know how loud they get he even has a world record with the new Atlas in Canada.
    umm, that's where the bashing starting




  5. #20
    supa_c's Avatar
    supa_c is offline Abministrator



    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    In a chair
    Posts
    19,367
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    you my firend, are SICK !!!




  6. #21
    Polecat's Avatar
    Polecat is offline Team Kicker Manager



    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Stillwater, OK
    Posts
    5,244
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic
    How are these companies copying it? Just by the shape? Or is there more there than just the shape? Kicker does not have a patent on the shape do they?
    you cannot patent a shape........



    In Memory of Greg Welch

    Team Kicker
    Kinetik Juiced


    Behind every great man....is an underwear tag!


    Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.



  7. #22
    supa_c's Avatar
    supa_c is offline Abministrator



    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    In a chair
    Posts
    19,367
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Polecat
    you cannot patent a shape........
    thats a classic LOL !




  8. #23
    squeak9798's Avatar
    squeak9798 is offline Banned



    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    26,300
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    16
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Polecat
    Hart
    Hi Fonics
    MTX
    and all the other ones that got letters from our attorneys...

    you'd be amazed how many people, try to 'copy' it...

    That's what happens when you come out with something unique, everybody wants a piece.




  9. #24
    Polecat's Avatar
    Polecat is offline Team Kicker Manager



    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Stillwater, OK
    Posts
    5,244
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    Quote Originally Posted by squeak9798
    That's what happens when you come out with something unique, everybody wants a piece.
    actually, I bet there has been 25+ manufactures try to release a close copy....very funny how much Copyright, Trademark and Intellectual Property stealng there is....



    In Memory of Greg Welch

    Team Kicker
    Kinetik Juiced


    Behind every great man....is an underwear tag!


    Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.



  10. #25
    squeak9798's Avatar
    squeak9798 is offline Banned



    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    26,300
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    16
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Polecat
    actually, I bet there has been 25+ manufactures try to release a close copy....very funny how much Copyright, Trademark and Intellectual Property stealng there is....
    I bet your attorney liked you guys Look at all the income he made just off of that one design (and the people trying to steal it)........




  11. #26
    Polecat's Avatar
    Polecat is offline Team Kicker Manager



    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Stillwater, OK
    Posts
    5,244
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    Quote Originally Posted by squeak9798
    I bet your attorney liked you guys Look at all the income he made just off of that one design (and the people trying to steal it)........
    LOL...yea, I actually talk to her (woman actually, weired huh?) daily....I am also the companies Ebay police.



    In Memory of Greg Welch

    Team Kicker
    Kinetik Juiced


    Behind every great man....is an underwear tag!


    Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.



  12. #27
    stussycole's Avatar
    stussycole is offline Junior Member



    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    St. Louis
    Posts
    5
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    The shop salesman that is being referred to is Alex Avila. The shop he works at is Sound Decision in Montgomery, Ill. This shop has turned out many award winning and magazine featured vehicles. Co-Owner and Installer Sean "Crackie" Young was named MERA's Installer of the year for 2003. They also have a knack for building very loud street cars.

    Alex set the DbDrag Racing World Record at the Audio Thunder 3X show in Toronto, earlier this season. His competitor profile can be found here http://www.termpro.com/asp/competito...etitor_ID=6039 . He is currently the 3rd loudest Stret A car in the states, 2nd place is held by his friend and fellow Chicago-area competitor Mike Skaritka. Also, he hasn't been to a DbDrag show in almost 3 months. His Aztec is more of a show car now, he did use it to comete with in 2003. It is also used to tow his CRX. The stock radio is still in there to retain access to many of the factory controls, steering wheel controls and satellite radio, that are tied into the factory radio.

    The Hifonics subs are for real. In a recent visit up to Chicago Alex proved to me that these subs could meet or exceed the spl scores of the Kickers. I cannot comment on SQ as we only tested SPL in SPL designed enclosures.

    On a side note, it is interesting to see how many of you are readily willing to bash a person or a product before you have all the facts. A new car audio enthusiast goes to a shop and gets a little confused about the info he is given and before trying to figure out the real facts you all begin calling BS. How many of you have tested both the Hifonics and Kicker? How many of you have built a world record spl car? How many of you have won a World Championship? Many of the newer car audio enthusiasts are quick to critisize and slow to get the real facts or to learn how to properly do things. Without proper knowledge your are just ignorant.




  13. #28
    `pr0digy's Avatar
    `pr0digy is offline - turbobricks.com -



    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Philadelphia, PA
    Posts
    1,676
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmac
    Whoa buddy ... Talk about PMS ...


    cute. er, actually, disgusting. Just don't see why most of the first page was filled with Hifonics subs, no way! when they don't say they've heard them... Bashing for a "canadian world record", that's a bit differant :p



    HU: Apline 9815
    Sub: Image Dynamics 12 v3 @ ~ 28 hz
    Sub Amp: eD NiNe.1
    Comps: Looking towards ID CTX65cs
    Comp Amp: Needed! Got 150w x2 @ 4 ohms to sell ?

  14. #29
    squeak9798's Avatar
    squeak9798 is offline Banned



    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    26,300
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    16
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    Quote Originally Posted by stussycole
    On a side note, it is interesting to see how many of you are readily willing to bash a person or a product before you have all the facts. A new car audio enthusiast goes to a shop and gets a little confused about the info he is given and before trying to figure out the real facts you all begin calling BS. How many of you have tested both the Hifonics and Kicker? How many of you have built a world record spl car? How many of you have won a World Championship? Many of the newer car audio enthusiasts are quick to critisize and slow to get the real facts or to learn how to properly do things. Without proper knowledge your are just ignorant.
    Refer to Jmac's picture in post #20 of this thread




  15. #30
    Polecat's Avatar
    Polecat is offline Team Kicker Manager



    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Stillwater, OK
    Posts
    5,244
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Icon14 Re: Hifonics Square sub Versus Kicker, bout 2 give u the lowdown

    Quote Originally Posted by stussycole

    The Hifonics subs are for real. In a recent visit up to Chicago Alex proved to me that these subs could meet or exceed the spl scores of the Kickers. I cannot comment on SQ as we only tested SPL in SPL designed enclosures.

    On a side note, it is interesting to see how many of you are readily willing to bash a person or a product before you have all the facts. A new car audio enthusiast goes to a shop and gets a little confused about the info he is given and before trying to figure out the real facts you all begin calling BS. How many of you have tested both the Hifonics and Kicker? How many of you have built a world record spl car? How many of you have won a World Championship? Many of the newer car audio enthusiasts are quick to critisize and slow to get the real facts or to learn how to properly do things. Without proper knowledge your are just ignorant.
    I can attest. We have done test that you speak, and am quite aware of all the comparisons. While the Hifonics is a good imitation, we all know in all our SPL, installation plays a role. How do I know?
    Well, I work for Kicker and have for 16+ years. I have been here since the conception that Greg Davis started in the early 1990's, called the Kicker Competition Group. I have traveled thousands of miles to all shows with people like Greg, whom was on the Board for IASCA.
    I have had the many year priveldge of knowing, and working with Gary Biggs, world reknown car audio installer/guru/ SQ champ and Mark Eldridge.(more than multiple SQ Wolrd Expert Championships)
    Read:
    http://www.carsound.com/features/eld...evolution.html and look at the very bottom," Oh for the help of others"
    I have been there when Alma Gates came on board, and traveled with her, Gary and Mark. All, still very personal friends as well, and talk to almost weekly.(if we all have time)

    So I have a tad background in this, and have seen the test.

    The woofer is a good imitation. May be good for SPL, in certain cars. But in other cars, the L7, or DD, or RE, or ??? may be better. SPL is installation, 80% and product 20%.
    So because this guy does well, and he does seem to do well, so props to him, doesn't mean the Hifonics is better than the L7, or any other woofer. Shows that woofer works for him. Same as other woofers work for others.

    When a new 'hobbiest' comes in slinging info that woofer X is better because he heard it from X and he saw the car do X.....people will tend to call them out. Only human, small price to pay to have public, open forums.

    Props to this guy, glad they work for him. We all wish him the best.

    Hope this clears up some grey air.

    Tracy Focht
    Kicker Car Audio
    Last edited by Polecat; 08-31-2004 at 09:59 PM.



    In Memory of Greg Welch

    Team Kicker
    Kinetik Juiced


    Behind every great man....is an underwear tag!


    Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.



Closed Thread
Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Hifonics going square?????
    By kickerlivinloud in forum Subwoofers
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 06-15-2004, 01:56 AM
  2. Kicker Square Subs
    By LoudCrownVic in forum Subwoofers
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03-27-2004, 06:11 PM
  3. Quick question bout the kicker S15L74 sub...
    By Jeepaudio in forum Subwoofers
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03-13-2004, 09:39 PM
  4. hifonics and kicker
    By DeKaL44 in forum Amplifiers
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-20-2003, 10:46 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may post attachments
  • You may edit your posts

1e2 Forum