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    New kicker cvr's smelling.

    I know before anyone even posts what you're going to say, use search.
    I've used search and read all the previous threads and they don't address my particular issue as it is.
    So I'll explain and see if anyone else has any advice or experience in this.
    Now, the subwoofers are new in an enclosure made for them, it's ported.
    I was going to get AQ (soundqubed) SDC2.5 12's but when I had the cash to spend they decided to refashion their product line (they're out of stock for a few months) long story short I got these.
    I actually like them, a lot of people hate on kicker and that's fine I know better subs are made and I'm ok with that.
    They're hooked up to an old kx600.1 amp I got off a buddy awhile back that he hardly used.
    The gains are set by ear, I know what distortion sounds like, I also have a DMM and I've been told to set gains by ear by some people and with a DMM by others. Some say using sine waves as a way to set gain is unrealistic unless you're going to drive around all day listening to sine waves (I don't) others of course disagree.
    I know what clipping sounds like, when the signal is "cut" by the amp and you lose "definition" in the sound (it goes from sounding like bump bump booooooooommm, to a muddy constant boomy crap and you lose the bumps.) that's a bad way to explain it but that's the only way I can in words.
    I've been tuning this system trying to get it perfect for a week or so, only had it about 2.
    It starts to audibly clip at the 5 dash out of 7 mark.
    So I set it on the 4th dash and left it there.

    Now I listen to rap, rock, and techno, I also use my remote bass knob (not a boost)
    As I've gone from the "break in" phase and been moving the gain from the second notch to the 4th I've been getting a stronger "new box, electronic, glue, whatever) smell.
    Now let me say, my last subwoofer also had this smell, it was one of those beginner subs where the amp is fitting to the sub made for the sub and sold as a package, it also had this smell no matter what, if I stick my head in the port I still smell it as well as MDF.

    Now on the way home I was listening to my sub fairly loud and I got this smell again throughout my car. It's ported as I said I also have my seat down. I can feel the sub pushing air into the cabin (I have a small car and ride with the backseat down) it isn't clipping and I set my gains with HU volume at 28/35 and usually listen at 25-27 max.

    I've never smelled a "burning" smell, I've soldered tons of wires and done plenty of installs and I know that smell it isn't that.
    It's a weird sweetish smell and when I touch the cones of the woofers they're very lightly warm, comparable to maybe an insulated coffee cup with warm (not hot) coffee. That's the only thing I can think of but it isn't hot at all, and within less than 25 seconds it's gone. The amp also is barely warm to the touch.
    I just went out to the car and after letting it sit two hours the smell is still in the box if I stick my head in the port. This box has polyfill, if that matters.

    The sub had this smell slightly when I first opened it but as I've played it and it's pushed out air it's gotten worse. Maybe I'm being overly cautious and it's just blowing tons of "new subwoofer" smell into my car and it's the coils breaking in, but I'm not sure.
    The smell may sometimes vary a bit to being very sweet to a weird sweet plasticy smell and the closest thing I can compare it to is new motherboards, video cards, and hard drives when first opened.

    Should I just break down and download a sine wave and set the gains using my DMM or am I probably fine?

    Also I realize the amp is 600.1 at 2 ohms, the subs are wired properly and 2 ohm.
    They're rated at 400rms each, I also realize clipping can and will ruin subs despite having an underpowered amp, I plan to upgrade to a soundqubed 1200.1d very soon after I do another car install and get paid at work.

    Sorry for the long post, just being thorough and answering all the "gains set too high zomgzogzomg" responses before they get posted.

    Bass boost at 0, loudness on HU 0, HPF at 120hz, LPF at 120hz, bass center set to 80hz with Q curve set to 1.00

    That should be all pertinent information.







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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    Your box might be too small, what are the dimentions?




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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    normal for new subs, just be easy on them. also what kind of box? could be playing under tuning



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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatChevyGuy View Post
    normal for new subs, just be easy on them. also what kind of box? could be playing under tuning
    That's what I was thinking, if he is playing below the tuning of the box, those coils will get hot as hell. Plus he sai he has poly fill, so i am guessing it is a prefab box, and most of them are tuned to like 45hz.




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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    I had the same smell from my Obsidian 15 when I first bought it. Its the coating on the voice coil. I can't remember what its called. It will last for a couple weeks and slowly go away. Trust me you will know what a voice coil smells like, smells like burning oak wood. Only way i can explain the smell.



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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    The box was made for the subwoofers but I have the exact dimensions.
    Dimensions: 32-3/8" W x 16" H x 17-3/8" D (Bottom) x 13-15/16" D (Top)
    The back is "slanted"
    Forgot to mention, subsonic filter is on at 25hz (exact Kicker recommendations)
    Power isn't an issue either, I have a voltmeter in the car, never drops below 13.6.
    Have a kinetik HC1400 under the hood, big 3 done.
    Unfortunetly no high output alt, but lights barely dim, and no more than they do when I run all car accessories.

    I plan to buy a second kinetik hc800 for the trunk just for good measure.
    I also charge my battery every few days with a ctek mus 4.3 just for good measure.




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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    is it ported or sealed?



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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    Quote Originally Posted by MutantDreams View Post
    That's what I was thinking, if he is playing below the tuning of the box, those coils will get hot as hell. Plus he sai he has poly fill, so i am guessing it is a prefab box, and most of them are tuned to like 45hz.
    Subsonic filter is on, kicker recommends 25hz and that's what it's set at. Coils aren't terribly hot. After serious playing the cone is barely warm to the touch which I've been told is normal. If that's the case I'll get a new amp and set the subsonic filter higher. I'll take all advice. If need be I'll remove the subs and check the coils.




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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    Now, the subwoofers are new in an enclosure made for them, it's ported

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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatChevyGuy View Post
    is it ported or sealed?
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    Tuned to 40hz I believe.
    They aren't bottoming out but I suppose it's a possibility that them trying to play below frequency could be the issue.




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    Tuned to 40hz I believe.
    They aren't bottoming out but I suppose it's a possibility that them trying to play below frequency could be the issue.
    yes 40hz is fart box territory, ditch the box and get one arond 32-35 hz and lose the slanted back



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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    Set the subsonic filter a little higher.




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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    I agree having a new box isn't a bad idea and have plans to get a new one but back to my point anyway, I like the way they sound they're punchy enough and the tuning doesn't bother me.
    It's a kicker amp so it has a set subsonic filter (on off switch) its 25hz at a 12db octave.
    I plan to buy a new amp so I will take your advice.
    Until then can someone answer my question, it's been cold here (below freezing) so maybe the subwoofers didn't heat up enough during the week long break in period to melt off the excess glue. It isn't a "bitter" smell it's sweet and the smell remains even after the sub is in the cold and off for hours.
    Basically I'm asking for the set-up the way it is, is the smell normal and is the cone getting VERY VERY lightly warm after heavy play normal?




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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    its because of the box, playing under tuning can kill subs fast



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    Re: New kicker cvr's smelling.

    You are gonna need a new box or a new amp.




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