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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    The new Sundown woofers being designed, like the Z v4, do seem like they are geared more towards high excursion capabilities. This would make them best suited for high powered, low frequency music. Which is the trend most "Ground Pounders" are shooting for these days.
    It seems like a perfect fit to me.



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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    Quote Originally Posted by hcivic91 View Post
    Good points all.
    I am a quality guy in many aspects of life. I save to purchase quality: furniture, clothes, shoes, watches etc. It is easier to judge the relative benefits of thing like shoes when you can handle both simultaniously. Such is not the case with subs, I can't demo them particularly cereris paribus. This is my attempt to understand the value proposition both provide and buy accordingly.
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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    Interested in this as well. I am a sound quality oriented guy and have four 2 way co ax 6.5s at 35 watts each and a 10"cvx on 400 watts in ported enclosure. Planning my next build and want great sub sound quality. Was thinking a high power handling 12" in a sealed enclosure would fit my bill perfectly. Wouldn't a T1 or W7 in a sealed box on say 1000-1500 watts be louder than my cvx in ported enclosure? And wouldn't the frequency response be a lot better and truer? Not sure of the term but I hear you lose the resonant float of a sub when fading out of a note when placed in a sealed enclosure. I like the idea of usable space and I just don't see why people throw 2-4 type r's or other mid grade subs and fill up an entire trunk when you could spend the extra money on a well designed powerful sub that hits just as hard.




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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    Quote Originally Posted by ladysmanfelpz View Post
    and fill up an entire trunk when you could spend the extra money on a well designed powerful sub that hits just as hard.
    This is a big part of my calculus. I'm in my early 30s but I still like some slam, but my clubs have to to fit in the trunk. This limits my options to 2 10"s or 1 12" or 1 15". I also like the point about ground pounders. I really like the idea of having a ground pounder, though my configuration will not amount to ground-pounding hitting the last octive with authority would be awesome. It looks like if that is what I want to do, I'll need to spend up.




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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    Quote Originally Posted by hcivic91 View Post
    Ok, how about being helpful then. Maybe my assumption that 2 SA12 > 1 NS-12 is bad?
    I was being helpful, you got my point, and now you won't be assuming that anymore




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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    1. High output
    2. Efficiency
    3. Less space

    You can have 2 of those, but you can never have all three. That's the way it is, no other ways around it




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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    I have 4 10" r on kicker 2500 My friend has 1 15" lvl4 with lvl 5 soft parts on RF T2000. Mine way more powerful than his in all aspects.



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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    Quote Originally Posted by 2Dcore View Post
    I have 4 10" r on kicker 2500 My friend has 1 15" lvl4 with lvl 5 soft parts on RF T2000. Mine way more powerful than his in all aspects.
    Horrible comparison and statement. What is each box tuned to? Are they both even ported? Is each box proper size? You left out a lot of important details that make your statement dumb.

    To add to discussion, louder is a relative term. I've seen some guys on here say they've done swaps like this, and more cone area sounded louder, but the single more powerful sub was louder on the TL. Install plays a big part, as well as enclosure, as been stated.



    Quote Originally Posted by ducatipaso View Post
    15inch subs can't play fast beats, they take more power and that taxes the vehicles electrical system. You will wake up and "hear" then see the light at the end of the tunnel and it will be 3 10's pounding so hard you wont even open your trunk or turn your system on because you 15's will sound sloppy & weak.
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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    Quote Originally Posted by gckless View Post
    Horrible comparison and statement. What is each box tuned to? Are they both even ported? Is each box proper size? You left out a lot of important details that make your statement dumb.

    To add to discussion, louder is a relative term. I've seen some guys on here say they've done swaps like this, and more cone area sounded louder, but the single more powerful sub was louder on the TL. Install plays a big part, as well as enclosure, as been stated.
    Lol beat me to it....X being than y is rather subjective, I have seen/heard setups that metered louder than how they felt compared to other systems. Unless you are comparing x vs y playing the same song on a meter that is in the same location, the comparsion is null and void.



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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    Quote Originally Posted by gckless View Post
    Horrible comparison and statement. What is each box tuned to? Are they both even ported? Is each box proper size? You left out a lot of important details that make your statement dumb.

    To add to discussion, louder is a relative term. I've seen some guys on here say they've done swaps like this, and more cone area sounded louder, but the single more powerful sub was louder on the TL. Install plays a big part, as well as enclosure, as been stated.

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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    you also have to remember that the less power a sub/speaker needs to reach it max potential the more efficient it is,so based on that theory and logic , all these big bad subs we use are really only about 5 % or so efficient.the rest is heat



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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    I think the point of those super subs (any kind really) is to be able to apply greater power to them before limits are reached, and to run more than one. In other words, if your playing with the big boys, you better have some bad *** subs, and lots of them. Not sure if these are exactly geared to the normal crowd. I could be wrong though.



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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    Quote Originally Posted by Reson8 View Post
    I think the point of those super subs (any kind really) is to be able to apply greater power to them before limits are reached, and to run more than one. In other words, if your playing with the big boys, you better have some bad *** subs, and lots of them. Not sure if these are exactly geared to the normal crowd. I could be wrong though.
    I feel it's just as much for that dude that just wants one big beefy ass sub. Some people don't have the space for multiple sub setups, and want a single bad mofo they can push some power to.



    Quote Originally Posted by ducatipaso View Post
    15inch subs can't play fast beats, they take more power and that taxes the vehicles electrical system. You will wake up and "hear" then see the light at the end of the tunnel and it will be 3 10's pounding so hard you wont even open your trunk or turn your system on because you 15's will sound sloppy & weak.
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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    I would base if off power level you plan to run. Not everyone wants to add an HO alt and 2-3 batts, so 1000-1500watts is fine for them. Most higher powerered subs would be a waste on that power level...




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    Re: Advantages of 'super' woofer

    Lol wtf is a super woofer




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