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    I own: 12" Eclipse Titanium, is IDMAX 12v2 an upgrade?

    Hey All,

    I bought an Eclipse Titanium back in April and installed it in a fairly small sealed enclosure (although calculated/recomended size). I am very satisfied, the SQ and the SPL has been very nice. I also have a pretty good amp, that definately does not underpower it - US Acoustics 1000D - 750w RMS is the full RMS for that sub. It has been working out great.

    Sealed sounds good and hits pretty hard, but I just want a little more. Adding another sub would mean that I would be pushing 1500w RMS on my stock alternator and battery, and really I don't want to make that upgrade. So my plans had become this: port the 12" Eclipse Titanium, but do it geared towards SQ still. My attempt would be to make it just as clear and accurate, just louder. This wouldn't even be a big box, I think I came up with 1.5cuft before deplacement, so like 1.7cuft, ported at the hz that I would find after testing the cars resonant frequency.



    But then an offer came across my table for a IDMAX 12 D2 v2 - for 225$ shipped. I was wondering what the general consensus is between these 2 subwoofers. Initially it would be in a 1cuft sealed enclosure (maybe I would make a 1.3cuft - which is recommended) and it would be run off of the same amp, except @ 1 ohm. It would recieve 1000w RMS @ 1 ohm and the amp is stable at 1ohm and puts out 1250w. What do you think:

    Both sealed, which has the edge in SQ and SPL?
    Running the US Acoustics 1000w @ 1 ohm, is it safe?
    What if I went ahead with my project and ported them, geared towards loud SQ, which would have the advantage?
    Would I be able to tell which would preform better ported by hearing them sealed?

    Also, is $225 shipped a good price - aprox 10 months of use, this is v2 not the new v3 (which goes for $319 new, plus shipping).

    THANKS A LOT!



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    SPEAKERS - 4 stock Bose & 2 stock 6x9's
    SUB - 12" Eclipse Titanium 9122
    AMP - US Acoustics USX-1000D
    EQ's - AudioControl Epicenter
    BOX - homemaid 1.7 cu. ft ported box @ 35hz (w/ neon & plexi)
    WIRE - 4 gauge w/ distribution and power blocks - KnuKonceptz
    DAMPENING - 50ft of Second Skin Damplifier
    CAR - 99 Acura 3.5 RL - V6 w/ 210hp - all stock
    NEXT - replace anything Bose, add HU, add navi




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    add-on

    background on the 2 subs:

    12" Eclipse Titanium 9122 (2003 model)
    dual 4-ohm coils
    wired paralell for 2-ohms
    750w RMS, recieves 750w @ 2ohm from amp

    Image Dynamics 12" IDMAX D2 v2 (unknown year, fairly new)
    dual 2-ohm coils
    wired in paralell for 1-ohm
    1000w RMS, would recieve 1000w @ 1 ohm from amp
    amp could push 1250w if needed to

    Need Qts, Vas, all that? Just ask and I'll post.
    THANKS



    DECK - stock Acura-Bose Premium Sound w/ 6 CD-Changer
    SPEAKERS - 4 stock Bose & 2 stock 6x9's
    SUB - 12" Eclipse Titanium 9122
    AMP - US Acoustics USX-1000D
    EQ's - AudioControl Epicenter
    BOX - homemaid 1.7 cu. ft ported box @ 35hz (w/ neon & plexi)
    WIRE - 4 gauge w/ distribution and power blocks - KnuKonceptz
    DAMPENING - 50ft of Second Skin Damplifier
    CAR - 99 Acura 3.5 RL - V6 w/ 210hp - all stock
    NEXT - replace anything Bose, add HU, add navi

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    Re: I own: 12" Eclipse Titanium, is IDMAX 12v2 an upgrade?

    Eclipse Titanium 12":
    DC-R - dual 3.1 ohm
    FS - 27hz
    qts - .30
    vas - 3.2 ft^2
    spl - 89db
    qes - .32
    qms - 5.0
    sd - 490 cm^2
    xmax - 38mm
    woofer displacement - .19 ft^2

    IDMAX 12" v2:
    re - .95/3.8 ohm
    fs - 27.4hz
    qes - .445
    qms - 2.47
    qts - .377
    vas - 3.35 cuft
    xmax - 24.6mm
    spl - 93.2db
    speaker displacement - .12 cuft



    DECK - stock Acura-Bose Premium Sound w/ 6 CD-Changer
    SPEAKERS - 4 stock Bose & 2 stock 6x9's
    SUB - 12" Eclipse Titanium 9122
    AMP - US Acoustics USX-1000D
    EQ's - AudioControl Epicenter
    BOX - homemaid 1.7 cu. ft ported box @ 35hz (w/ neon & plexi)
    WIRE - 4 gauge w/ distribution and power blocks - KnuKonceptz
    DAMPENING - 50ft of Second Skin Damplifier
    CAR - 99 Acura 3.5 RL - V6 w/ 210hp - all stock
    NEXT - replace anything Bose, add HU, add navi

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    Re: I own: 12" Eclipse Titanium, is IDMAX 12v2 an upgrade?

    Tough call... both are relatively Low Q drivers with a similar Fs. They both actually model quite similarly to one another in a nice SQ box... 3 ft^3 tuned to 30 Hz.

    If you are looking for louder I would give that to the IDMAX since you will have more power available to it. SQ would be a toss up to personal preference I'd say.

    Sealed box wise the difference is minimal again with the IDMax having a little bit more low-end (barely).

    If you are happy with your Ti I say keep it, the difference really won't be night and day. Unless you can audition the MAX to see if you prefer it's sound I see no reason to change.




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    Re: I own: 12" Eclipse Titanium, is IDMAX 12v2 an upgrade?

    yea... idmax might be louder, but i dont really think its worth upgrading... just port the eclipse




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    Re: I own: 12" Eclipse Titanium, is IDMAX 12v2 an upgrade?

    Agreed totaly with that...just port the eclispe



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    Re: I own: 12" Eclipse Titanium, is IDMAX 12v2 an upgrade?

    Thanks for reassuring me. I just thought that I had to jump on this deal right away. But could someone punch the numbers for the Titanium, I think that the number I come up with is 1.5 cu ft for a SQ ported enclosure. Sundownz mentioned 3cuft, but I think that was the measurement for the IDMAX 12.

    Also is 30hz the prefered tuning frequency for a SQ ported enclosure?



    DECK - stock Acura-Bose Premium Sound w/ 6 CD-Changer
    SPEAKERS - 4 stock Bose & 2 stock 6x9's
    SUB - 12" Eclipse Titanium 9122
    AMP - US Acoustics USX-1000D
    EQ's - AudioControl Epicenter
    BOX - homemaid 1.7 cu. ft ported box @ 35hz (w/ neon & plexi)
    WIRE - 4 gauge w/ distribution and power blocks - KnuKonceptz
    DAMPENING - 50ft of Second Skin Damplifier
    CAR - 99 Acura 3.5 RL - V6 w/ 210hp - all stock
    NEXT - replace anything Bose, add HU, add navi

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    Re: I own: 12" Eclipse Titanium, is IDMAX 12v2 an upgrade?

    yg PM, but I also say port the ti, and send it more power





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    Re: I own: 12" Eclipse Titanium, is IDMAX 12v2 an upgrade?

    how much?



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    Re: I own: 12" Eclipse Titanium, is IDMAX 12v2 an upgrade?

    Dude this thread is 4 years old...STOP!



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    Re: I own: 12" Eclipse Titanium, is IDMAX 12v2 an upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kskitka View Post
    why the **** do newbie retards always bring threads back from the ****ing dead? i dont get it.
    because they're noobs ...



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