CAUTION!!! BE WARNED! PSI ripping off people.

[hispls]

First of all, there isn't a 3" coil out there that can hold 1600W worth of heat indefinitely period. 4" coil yes, 3" coil no. They will all heat up and fail over time at this power level. Also it doesn't appear that you broke this sub on 1600W and it also doesn't appear that only having 2 spiders was the cause of the failure. That looks to be similar to a TC-9 motor which support a lot of platforms that can handle 1200W just fine.

ALSO if you indeed just broke a tinsel that's 1$ plus some CA glue to fix, no need to destroy 80$ worth of good softparts....that in fact is one reason I never use woven or burried tinsels since they would require completely scragging the whole assembly.

All that being said IMO PSi seems to over charge for rather cheap Chinese parts, ***** you didn't like the sub. If you're in Fryeburg Maine I can meet up with you at some point and recone it and show you what a real 400$ subwoofer looks like.

[TheUnderFighter]

Shame to hear about the bad experience man. And Sorry Maxima is being a dick about it, not sure what's up his ass. But just chill out, don't let the trolls get to ya, it's making you look bad.
Pics prove exactly what was wrong for the most part. Everything on the invoice looks like it should take that power. Hell, I paid $120 for my SA-10 and it takes it fine. Don't see why yours shouldn't have unless there was something wrong. Though it is marked for sewn leads, not woven, must have been a misunderstanding.
Tis a shame Dave didn't back it, I guess I won't be going to them for a re-cone now. Glad to hear you're liking your new woofers now!

[grimreper912003]

My question to you would be what did you say to Dave? Usually if Dave has an issue he is more then willing to help unless the person is being a **** then he tells them to pound sand.

[wenn_du_weinst]

I got recones with non matching parts and both blew premature on a wall socket. I'd be pissed if I bought a platform 2 and got a platform 1. it's not the first time I've heard about psi's horrible warranty service. ***** because he is a pretty cool guy to deal with as well.

[Imtjnotu]

First of all, there isn't a 3" coil out there that can hold 1600W worth of heat indefinitely period. 4" coil yes, 3" coil no. They will all heat up and fail over time at this power level. Also it doesn't appear that you broke this sub on 1600W and it also doesn't appear that only having 2 spiders was the cause of the failure. That looks to be similar to a TC-9 motor which support a lot of platforms that can handle 1200W just fine.

ALSO if you indeed just broke a tinsel that's 1$ plus some CA glue to fix, no need to destroy 80$ worth of good softparts....that in fact is one reason I never use woven or burried tinsels since they would require completely scragging the whole assembly.

All that being said IMO PSi seems to over charge for rather cheap Chinese parts, ***** you didn't like the sub. If you're in Fryeburg Maine I can meet up with you at some point and recone it and show you what a real 400$ subwoofer looks like.

Better in reverse has a tc9 that takes 2k rms on a 3" coil

[wenn_du_weinst]

Better in reverse has a tc9 that takes 2k rms on a 3" coil

not clamped 2000rms, that is tones not music as well.

[Imtjnotu]

not clamped 2000rms, that is tones not music as well.

True... didn't look at it that way either way pSI screwed him

[TeamPSI]

First off guys, this thread is about a subwoofer that was purchased roughly a YEAR ago.

A few weeks after getting it, he told me that it was getting hot and stinky. We spent quite a long time on the phone, and in emails about gain settings, clipping, voltage, etc, etc.

Once we spoke about how to fix his settings, he reported back that all was good, and that the sub was working fine.


Here is an email from Jesse from 11/27/2011, just a month or something after getting it. This is AFTER helping him set the amp up..

I know my dude, haha I'm sorry about that I just liked hitting you up on AIM to ask questions about the woofer and/or company do you not go on AIM anymore? and also whats a recone for my subwoofer go for? didn't we discuss $150 shipped? the woofer is fine im just wondering :-p

Here is an email from Jesse from March of this year, months after he bought it...

oh ok you **** little man hhaa jk but man that 18" is STILLL pounding man she loves, question thought 35hz @ 5cft seems small for my box... could I go as low as 32hz @ 7cft? and be safe @ 1600rms?

At some point after building a new box, and supposedly bottoming the sub out a few times, he lost one of the voice coils. He asked if it would be covered under warranty, and I told him "probably not", but that if he would send it back, and I could justify warranting it, that I would. I never heard back.

I have not spoken to Jesse in months. Nothing about wanting to send it, or wanting a recone kit... nothing. The conversation that we had ended with him saying "Thanks dude". I did not feel that he was upset, and expected to hear back if he wanted to send the sub back to us.


All of a sudden this morning, I see a friend request on Facebook from none other than, Jesse Lusky. This afternoon I get an email, pointing me to this 4 page long thread. Guess who posted it?


This seems out of the blue to me. Considering the time that has passed, and what he has done to the subwoofer (wall socket video), what else am I supposed to do? I offered tech support to this guy, spoke to him in lengthy phone conversations, offered to try to cover the sub if possible, offered a discount on a recone if it was his fault (this was months after he bought it, and had abused it IMO).... I just honestly feel that I did what should have been done in this situation.

I cannot just do things for free in fear that the guy will post a negative remark about our company. I understand that Jesse may have some ill feelings, and I am sorry for that, but I do not feel that he was treated poorly in any way.


Just to be clear about the sub, it was a Platform 1 series back in 2010! It would be called a Platform 2 now. It is still identical from year to year. Jesse was sent exactly the series that he was supposed to get.

Also, the spiders used were upgraded to 9" at Jesse's request. I did not have a listing for 9" spiders on the quote sheet, so I just clicked in for 3 8" spiders, to equal the price needed. These was never any intention of using another spider on this. The sub was built with the correct parts.

The coil used was a 2.5" long 4 layer aluminum roundwire coil. We use it quite a bit in the Platform 2 subs, and this has been the only report of it not handling 1500w rms. I know of other subs that use a vey similar coil, rated for 1800-2000w rms. We are usually pretty conservative on power ratings.

So in closing, I stand behind what I did in this situation. I am sorry that we could not make Jesse happy, but an honest effort was given.

Thanks,
David Moore

[TheUnderFighter]

Thanks for coming in and giving the full story, hopefully the clears a bit of everything up and the drama can end. Reasonable procedures on your end for sure!

[grimreper912003]

Fail lol. I love half stories.

[Sleeklsc]

Fail lol. I love half stories.

x2....Kinda reminds me of the f Mechman thread. Both of the op's got owned in each of them.

[Imtjnotu]

Take back what I said then....

[The_Grimy_One]

Another thread cleared up

[RAM_Designs]

If what PSi said is true, I feel no sympathy for the OP. He has the sub for a year and beats the hell out of it, then wants a refund after wall-socketing it...um, no.

[97maxima]

shut ur fuckin mouth already maxima fuckk....the guy posted pics and the original order sheet.....

I was done and then you opened your mouth an hour after my last post.