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    TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

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    18" TC Sounds beehive neo underhung D2




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    This is for the complete 18" driver in beautiful physical and mechanical condition, no scratches or dents. Loud as ballz and more than I need. Specs below. If interested, I have coils and parts to build this motor up into other awesome drivers. We can work out the cost of those parts through PM.

    Qts .33
    Qes .35
    Qms 6.9
    Fs 27.9
    Re 3.01
    Vas 233L
    mms 279G
    cms 116 um/N
    BL 20.7
    Sens 93.5 1w/1m
    1k RMS / 4k dynamic



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    $750 shipped.




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    UPS Ground, CONUS only.




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    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    A sample of what they can do.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb01YExTtbs



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    Just the one??



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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    Quote Originally Posted by biggen_bd View Post
    Just the one??
    Only one I have, bud.

    Sorry, I know everyone loves pairs.



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    Updated pics as promised.



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    Any T/S specs and overall dimensions on this Ciao? I've been looking for the right driver for an IB/oversized sealed install for a while for my vehicle. Thanks!



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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    Quote Originally Posted by joeybutts View Post
    Any T/S specs and overall dimensions on this Ciao? I've been looking for the right driver for an IB/oversized sealed install for a while for my vehicle. Thanks!
    This is much better suited to a vented enclosure but certainly has what it takes as far as excursion and power handling are concerned to go for an IB install. You'll need EQ since the Qts is on the low end.

    I tried like hell to find the spec sheet online but couldn't. I will have to plug them into the original listing above.



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    What enclosure specs would you recommend? I quickly played with WINisd and the easiest thing for me is an 11 cube enclosure (the trunk) and using the skipass as the port (~6x11) and tune to mid to high 20's.

    WINisd optimum was approximately 4.5 cubes at 27-28hz.



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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    Quote Originally Posted by joeybutts View Post
    What enclosure specs would you recommend? I quickly played with WINisd and the easiest thing for me is an 11 cube enclosure (the trunk) and using the skipass as the port (~6x11) and tune to mid to high 20's.

    WINisd optimum was approximately 4.5 cubes at 27-28hz.
    Yep, that sounds about right. I think I was modeling something like 5-7 @ 22-25 for my tastes.

    I think you'd be fine to try the IB install, just watch the power until you get familiar with it.



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    is this the same as the tc 5100 pro?



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    Quote Originally Posted by innsanes View Post
    is this the same as the tc 5100 pro?
    No, but they're very close in nature. Same cone, spiders and coil but the WW offset is a little different due to the 5100 motor having a taller magnetic gap. The 5100 is a tad more sensitive and will play down into the 20's with less effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    Neo



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    I cant imagine the EM field on that thing. Don't get it near any silverware

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    Gain on an amplifier to meant to be matched to the output voltage of your headunit. Think 3 volt, 4 volt, 5 volt pre out specs you see on headunit specs. This is how gain works for a given pre out(5 volt) theoretically. However most head units clip(start to distort) at around 80% of your volume so your 5 volt pre out wont give 5 volts Cleanly. You will most likely get 4 volts out at something like 33/40 on your volume knob and would thus set your gain to 4 volts. (these things can be measured with a GOOD Multimeter. )
    80% of your total volume is (max volume) X 0.8.
    Example is 40(is your max volume so, 40 X .8=32


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Camry View Post
    I cant imagine the EM field on that thing. Don't get it near any silverware

    Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk
    That's the beauty of this magnetic circuit, there's very little wasted flux showing up as stray field. It's all internal and focused on the coil.



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
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    Re: TC Sounds Underhung NeoRadial 18

    Buy this beauty.



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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