+ Reply to Thread
Page 18 of 24 FirstFirst ... 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 LastLast
Results 256 to 270 of 357

Reload Thread: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

  1. #256
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Oakland, Ca
    Posts
    112
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    would papermashay(sp?) work in place of clay? some higher quality expensive clay for molding arts in the fine arts store. i bet that would work better than some $3 clay at walmart.







  2. #257
    Crank's Avatar
    Crank is offline JUNIOR MARINE



    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Dry Ridge, KY---Currently in Jacksonville, NC
    Age
    27
    Posts
    21
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    Okay excuse my newbie ignorance, but i just read thru this entire thread and was wondering if a man already had the door off of something, would it be easier just to lay it down and paint on some sort of deadening material, also, are some people recommending packing foam into the door as fill as well as the speaker egg crate? Is this to add to the rigidity of the door or what? Also, when the clay+mdf rings, are alot of y'all able to fit the speakers behind the door panel still? Thanks.
    Brandon




  3. #258
    GrayMatter4tw's Avatar
    GrayMatter4tw is offline One louder



    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Ft. Irwin, CA
    Age
    30
    Posts
    3,813
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    is there still a second skin discount for forum members here?




  4. #259
    Anthony Collova's Avatar
    Anthony Collova is offline Supporting Vendor Anthony Collova is a Supporting Member of the forum!

    Anthony Collova is a Supporting Vendor of the forum!

    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Scottsdale
    Age
    39
    Posts
    1,415
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    206 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    yup
    go to www.secondskinaudio.com/forums to find out




  5. #260
    adio's Avatar
    adio is offline THE STEREOTYPE FIGHTER!!!



    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    atlanta, ga
    Age
    39
    Posts
    5,922
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    43 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    what about treating the foam, what would you treat it with to keep it from growin mold and smelling????????



    refs= springy101 <-- ultimate buyer, jmanpc(sold stereo), pwnt by pat <---the ultimate installer, PV audio and ionsql(box designs), toxic tuan (crystal comps), hazardous0388 (8" TB's), backthepack(jbl1200.1), bamavoo (sold profile ap1000M), rashadd (box plans in time of need), bassaddictj (jl xr mids), louisiana_crx(traded amps for DD comps), revrider1 (traded tc sub for RE sub and amp), jcldallas24 (bought jbl 1200.1), boomsday (2.3 cu ft tuned to 32hz), UMWDawg92 (sold kenwood stereo)
    fuq with adio, get your money/product that completely works........GUARANTEED!!!!!!!

  6. #261
    Bolognablake's Avatar
    Bolognablake is offline Redefining body roll



    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    1,359
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    Quote Originally Posted by adio
    what about treating the foam, what would you treat it with to keep it from growin mold and smelling????????
    Earlier in the thread Squeak mentioned that any treatments put on the foam would most likely reduce the foam's performance.





    1996 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 2-Door
    4.0L I6 | AX15 5-Speed | NP231 TC | 2" RE BB | 31" Bridgestone Dueler M/T | Trimming

    2006 Chevy Trailblazer EXT
    4.2L I6 l Auto l 2WD l Stock
    Facebook

  7. #262
    M5AM's Avatar
    M5AM is offline Member



    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Age
    26
    Posts
    101
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    just purchase a closed cell foam.




  8. #263
    adio's Avatar
    adio is offline THE STEREOTYPE FIGHTER!!!



    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    atlanta, ga
    Age
    39
    Posts
    5,922
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    43 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    Quote Originally Posted by M5AM
    just purchase a closed cell foam.
    whats that and where can i get some from?



    refs= springy101 <-- ultimate buyer, jmanpc(sold stereo), pwnt by pat <---the ultimate installer, PV audio and ionsql(box designs), toxic tuan (crystal comps), hazardous0388 (8" TB's), backthepack(jbl1200.1), bamavoo (sold profile ap1000M), rashadd (box plans in time of need), bassaddictj (jl xr mids), louisiana_crx(traded amps for DD comps), revrider1 (traded tc sub for RE sub and amp), jcldallas24 (bought jbl 1200.1), boomsday (2.3 cu ft tuned to 32hz), UMWDawg92 (sold kenwood stereo)
    fuq with adio, get your money/product that completely works........GUARANTEED!!!!!!!

  9. #264
    FoxPro5's Avatar
    FoxPro5 is offline Causal wanderer



    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    3 octaves higher
    Posts
    5,449
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    1 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    Quote Originally Posted by adio
    whats that and where can i get some from?
    partsexpress.com
    Walmart (camping pad)



    TEAM Front Fill

    The Fox audiomobile now sounds more quality thanks to SDS power.

    The most expensive solution is the one that doesn't do the job correctly. ~ Me

  10. #265
    FoxPro5's Avatar
    FoxPro5 is offline Causal wanderer



    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    3 octaves higher
    Posts
    5,449
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    1 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    Quote Originally Posted by Crank
    Okay excuse my newbie ignorance, but i just read thru this entire thread and was wondering if a man already had the door off of something, would it be easier just to lay it down and paint on some sort of deadening material
    Yes I used a few layers of SS Sludge just like this...worked great.

    also, are some people recommending packing foam into the door as fill as well as the speaker egg crate? Is this to add to the rigidity of the door or what?
    Just some form of closed cell foam to kill the standing waves in the door which can cause resonance....you know the what they use in the walls of a recording studio.

    Also, when the clay+mdf rings, are alot of y'all able to fit the speakers behind the door panel still?
    Yes because you are not putting it between the baffle and the door, just packing around it. At least I did not do it that way.



    TEAM Front Fill

    The Fox audiomobile now sounds more quality thanks to SDS power.

    The most expensive solution is the one that doesn't do the job correctly. ~ Me

  11. #266
    FoxPro5's Avatar
    FoxPro5 is offline Causal wanderer



    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    3 octaves higher
    Posts
    5,449
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    1 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    Quote Originally Posted by KaPPaBaLL
    would papermashay(sp?) work in place of clay? some higher quality expensive clay for molding arts in the fine arts store. i bet that would work better than some $3 clay at walmart.
    I think you want non-hardining clay. If it hardens, it will most likely resonate. Also if it hardened, you'd have a hell of a time getting it off.



    TEAM Front Fill

    The Fox audiomobile now sounds more quality thanks to SDS power.

    The most expensive solution is the one that doesn't do the job correctly. ~ Me

  12. #267
    saywhat?'s Avatar
    saywhat? is offline satx120, jealous?



    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    H'Burg Mississippi!
    Age
    27
    Posts
    11,175
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    10
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    wuts so hard to understand that its NOT THAT EXPENSIVE to do it right for once. closed cell foam, and 3 dollar modeling clay. WHY would you go anything MORE expensive.....




  13. #268
    M5AM's Avatar
    M5AM is offline Member



    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Age
    26
    Posts
    101
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    Quote Originally Posted by adio
    whats that and where can i get some from?

    I bought mine from raamaudio




  14. #269
    Sragan's Avatar
    Sragan is offline Junior Member



    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    7
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    Quote Originally Posted by Second Skin Rep
    yup
    go to www.secondskinaudio.com/forums to find out
    Now, wish I'd have known that prior to my 120sqft order of pro..... (unbelievable results, by the way...}

    Now to stir the pot a bit. Don't get the pitchforks and torches out just yet, I know how FNG's get treated on boards when going against the grain, but that's just the kinda guy I am.


    The gist of the original post I agree with most of, but there are a couple of points I take issue with. If I'm off here, please explain, something other than "but it works for three other guys I know, yo!", if you please.

    I just finished applying damplifier pro to the entire cab of my F-150 ex-cab. Did the door skins, inner door frames, roof, blah blah. I chose not to cover the holes in the inner door frame, because it's a Ford, and I've had to change window motors on more than one, and prefer not to pull a Linda Lovelace on the 870 tactical when, not if, the motors in the 150 go out. I'll go with the need to cover the openings for improved results with the speakers, so long as everyone knows it's not completely sealed (drain holes in the bottom, gotta stay away from that standing water in the door).

    Ditto on the foam behind the speaker. If you use closed cell foam you won't have to treat it, but definitely throw something behind there.

    Here's my biggest issue in this. I'm glad the point of decoupling the speaker was brought up, but the reasoning behind it, and application is a bit off, I believe. Here's where I part paths in the thread. Clay between the speaker itself, and the spacer is not necessary, up to and including defeating the purpose. Decoupling the speaker is done so the speaker performs optimally, throughout it's entire range, not just to improve bass/mid-bass response. It's a by product, yes, but not the sole purpose. A seal between the door and spacer is necessary, so that the speaker doesn't resonate to the door. You're trying to isolate it. Use the ring to add mass to the basket, seal the basket to the ring solidly. A thin gasket layer between the spacer/basket and door itself will suffice. More to this in a bit...

    After reading the thread, I discussed this with an engineer who happens to be a neighbor, and an audiophile, a serious one at that, after being dragged into his house so he could show me what he was getting at. He went so far as to lightly tear down a speaker cabinet to explain. The mid woofer and sub were solidly held into place tacked to 8 layer birch plywood, that's it (do a search on BagEnd loudspeakers for more info on what he's using). That said, I argued the point that the speakers were attached to wood not metal, and the "board" the woofer was attached to could be considered to be "decoupled" from the rest of the enclosure by whatever sealant. He conceded my point to argue separating the woofer yet again, using clay, from the spacer ring. Just how much will the basket of a midrange woofer resonate a piece of 3/4" MDF? Would it not resonate less than the basket itself, mass loading it (if you will) When securely attached (not with 4 screws mind you, but recessed bolts, as many as possible, clamping it, screws will only put so much clamping force)? Being a bit of a thinker, but slightly less edumacated, I went with that, and agreed. Makes total sense to me. He then suggested to me lexan, plexigalss, or acrylic, due to the fact that it's "acoustically dead", and handed me a small sheet of 1/4" to experiment with. Then suggested that I secure the "plate" I make as best I can, again using bolts, with a closed cell foam (I have a few 1/8" sheets of neoprene foam laying around) as a gasket between the new "basket/plate" and the metal of the door itself. Now, according to this (his) theory, the speaker will perform as efficiently as possible, and thinking it over, I really tend to agree with this, especially considering how you mount a subwoofer in a box.

    Now, after that long winded explanation to my disagreement, here's the short version. Decoupling or isolating the speaker is strictly so the speaker can perform optimally, not simply to improve bass response (it's a byproduct), although for the more younger crowd, an easier way to get them into the habit of doing things properly (but along the way, let's tell 'em why). I will agree, MDF as a spacer ring to replace the plastic rings in factory locations is a good thing, and while clay will isolate the speaker, why risk the mess when a simple foam gasket will do the trick for a solidly mounted speaker/spacer? Not to mention, no one here knows the rate at which the clay will deteriorate over time, if it does at all.

    I'm all about isolating the speaker from the door, I'm just not sure the original post is the best way to go about it. Over the next few days, I'm going to attempt to fab up acrylic plates, get photos of it being done, and hopefully post them up here to clear this mess of a post (mine) up.

    If you need matches to light the torches, I'll be more than happy to supply you with them now, just bring tech, OK?

    {Disclaimer: The above post contains strictly opinion, and second hand information, and is not meant to be taken as expert advice, gospel truth, or word to anyone's mother. It's subjective, and open to discussion. Use the above ramblings at your own risk.}




  15. #270
    ItalynStylion's Avatar
    ItalynStylion is offline Audiophile



    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Fort Worth, Tx.
    Posts
    1,275
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Proper Door Sound Deadening and You

    Wow, i just spent the better part of 2 hours reading http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/
    That was the best write up I have ever seen on just about any topic. He will deff get a little paypal help when i get the chance!

    I do have a question for anyone who can help me. Ive decided on the Damplifier sound deadener but im STILL not sure how much im going to need. I plan to do 50% coverage on both front doors and most of the rear deck in a Lexus IS300. Anyone have a decent EDUCATED guess on how much i will need?



    Quote Originally Posted by qtipextra View Post
    is 2 12's overkill for HT?
    Quote Originally Posted by JimJ View Post
    It's a start.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 18 of 24 FirstFirst ... 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 LastLast

User Tag List

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may post attachments
  • You may edit your posts
1e2 Forum