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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstroker View Post
    no reason for Pyle speakers in a car
    Unless u wanna get loud for super cheap



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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    If we're getting into ridiculous generalizations there's no reason for more than 1 subwoofer in a car. Multiple tweeters can work beautifully with the right execution.




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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xrojas13 View Post
    Unless u wanna get loud for super cheap
    I'm sure your right, but you will have absolutely no sound quality. How about PA horns?
    BTW a bunch of loud cheap speakers will sound like a large transistor radio.



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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by naughtyca View Post
    apparently you have not been to car shows lately

    people do pro audio to get loud, if you want sq then yes 2 tweeters is enough
    Because monkey see monkey do....

    Just because there are a lot of people doing it does not mean that it is a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trumpet View Post
    If we're getting into ridiculous generalizations there's no reason for more than 1 subwoofer in a car. Multiple tweeters can work beautifully with the right execution.
    How, and why would there be any need for more than one pair?



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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

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    There is absolutely no reason for multiple pairs of tweeters in a car.
    There is absolutely no reason for you to post in this thread....




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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstroker View Post
    I'm sure your right, but you will have absolutely no sound quality. How about PA horns?
    BTW a bunch of loud cheap speakers will sound like a large transistor radio.
    When you're playing "music" around 160db's do you really think SQ is a concern?

    I run Selenim PA mids (made by JBL), same ones used in stage monitors for smaller venues. They happen to sound just fine at normal levels and do a good job of keeping up when the time comes...




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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

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    There is absolutely no reason for you to post in this thread....
    Do tell....



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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

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    Do tell....
    Because he has like 20 supertweets in the shaggin wagon




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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by RicksI30 View Post
    How, and why would there be any need for more than one pair?
    Since I'm a sound quality guy I'll speak about what I know. There are situations where it's best to have your tweeter and woofer very close together. Some would say this situation is 100% of the time to achieve better clarity. With a factory door placement for the woofer this means using a coaxial speaker or a braxial system, which has a tweeter mounted on a bracket in a specific alignment above the woofer cone.

    We know what happens when the sound is all coming from low in the door, generally. The sound is low as well. Staging and imaging suffers. One way to help this problem is to use an imaging tweeter system. This isn't just a second pair of tweeters in parallel with the main tweeters, as that would be a hot mess. With careful selection of the imaging tweeter, proper location and aiming, the right crossover implementation, and by adjusting the levels, the extra tweeters can seamlessly blend in and raise the stage above the dash.

    Being receptive to this idea means throwing away the follow-the-herd mentality and putting to bed the rehashed installation technique of splitting the woofer and the tweeter by a couple of feet to get that A-pillar or dash tweeter location.




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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by mlstrass View Post
    When you're playing "music" around 160db's do you really think SQ is a concern?

    I run Selenim PA mids (made by JBL), same ones used in stage monitors for smaller venues. They happen to sound just fine at normal levels and do a good job of keeping up when the time comes...
    My mistake, though if you wanted to listen to music SQ would be a concern but I guess that would be my preference and not the OP's. I've heard PA speakers in many venues and do not care for them used musically. Being you system is in a car(?) you may have it balanced better than a stage monitor.



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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by trumpet View Post
    Since I'm a sound quality guy I'll speak about what I know. There are situations where it's best to have your tweeter and woofer very close together. Some would say this situation is 100% of the time to achieve better clarity. With a factory door placement for the woofer this means using a coaxial speaker or a braxial system, which has a tweeter mounted on a bracket in a specific alignment above the woofer cone.

    We know what happens when the sound is all coming from low in the door, generally. The sound is low as well. Staging and imaging suffers. One way to help this problem is to use an imaging tweeter system. This isn't just a second pair of tweeters in parallel with the main tweeters, as that would be a hot mess. With careful selection of the imaging tweeter, proper location and aiming, the right crossover implementation, and by adjusting the levels, the extra tweeters can seamlessly blend in and raise the stage above the dash.

    Being receptive to this idea means throwing away the follow-the-herd mentality and putting to bed the rehashed installation technique of splitting the woofer and the tweeter by a couple of feet to get that A-pillar or dash tweeter location.
    I did this in the STi. I ran coax in the doors with some "upstage" tweets in the sails crossed a 6khz. Was just lovely.



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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by trumpet View Post
    Since I'm a sound quality guy I'll speak about what I know. There are situations where it's best to have your tweeter and woofer very close together. Some would say this situation is 100% of the time to achieve better clarity. With a factory door placement for the woofer this means using a coaxial speaker or a braxial system, which has a tweeter mounted on a bracket in a specific alignment above the woofer cone.

    We know what happens when the sound is all coming from low in the door, generally. The sound is low as well. Staging and imaging suffers. One way to help this problem is to use an imaging tweeter system. This isn't just a second pair of tweeters in parallel with the main tweeters, as that would be a hot mess. With careful selection of the imaging tweeter, proper location and aiming, the right crossover implementation, and by adjusting the levels, the extra tweeters can seamlessly blend in and raise the stage above the dash.

    Being receptive to this idea means throwing away the follow-the-herd mentality and putting to bed the rehashed installation technique of splitting the woofer and the tweeter by a couple of feet to get that A-pillar or dash tweeter location.

    Okay I understand your point but 99% of car audio guys are not doing it in that way. So I'll change my comment to 99% of people who run multiple sets in a vehicle would be better off with one properly setup pair.



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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by RicksI30 View Post
    Do tell....
    OP didn't ask for opinions on PA set ups, he asked how to do it. You're obviously not a fan which is fine, so there really was no reason for you to respond...




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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by trumpet View Post
    Since I'm a sound quality guy I'll speak about what I know. There are situations where it's best to have your tweeter and woofer very close together. Some would say this situation is 100% of the time to achieve better clarity. With a factory door placement for the woofer this means using a coaxial speaker or a braxial system, which has a tweeter mounted on a bracket in a specific alignment above the woofer cone.

    We know what happens when the sound is all coming from low in the door, generally. The sound is low as well. Staging and imaging suffers. One way to help this problem is to use an imaging tweeter system. This isn't just a second pair of tweeters in parallel with the main tweeters, as that would be a hot mess. With careful selection of the imaging tweeter, proper location and aiming, the right crossover implementation, and by adjusting the levels, the extra tweeters can seamlessly blend in and raise the stage above the dash.

    Being receptive to this idea means throwing away the follow-the-herd mentality and putting to bed the rehashed installation technique of splitting the woofer and the tweeter by a couple of feet to get that A-pillar or dash tweeter location.
    A few companies make "upstage" upgrades as you know, just for that purpose. I also think of line arrays in a 2ch set up, numerous tweeters and midranges and they can sound amazing. Not a car environment, but most listening rooms have plenty of reflection issues also.




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    Re: How to do a pro audio setup in car.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstroker View Post
    My mistake, though if you wanted to listen to music SQ would be a concern but I guess that would be my preference and not the OP's. I've heard PA speakers in many venues and do not care for them used musically. Being you system is in a car(?) you may have it balanced better than a stage monitor.
    The ONLY speakers used for live performances are PA, so you've never been to a concert, club, jazz hall, or whatever and enjoyed the sound?

    I have NO balance, I have LOUD My only concern is tweeters aren't shrilly and mids aren't muddy or gravelly, so I guess it has some balance as it blends together pretty well.




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