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    Re: Going Active

    Quote Originally Posted by West View Post
    Would a Mcc406m (mcintosh-6channel) not cut the cheese for an amp?
    I think that 6 channel is a pretty nice bet. It is plenty of power. Keep in mind it's not a lot of power, it's not going to scream at you. But I think 100w @ mid-bass, 50w @ mid-range, and 50w @ tweeter, (all underrated at 12v), will be plenty of power to sound very nice. And as I'm sure you know, that's not a ton of power if you want to get really loud, but I don't think that is your goal with that gear. If it IS your goal though, I'd look into a stronger 4 channel for the tweets and mid-range, and a bridged 4 channel or beast 2 channel for the mid-bass. You know as well as any of us, if you want louder, you need more power. So if you just want a good sounding, decent output SQ set-up, you're set with that 6 channel. If you want to get loud, double your power.

    As for the 3-way thing.... I'm not speaking from experience, but just from a lot of consideration, and what I read here.... I'd start off by getting an already built 3-way set, on the cheaper side... maybe used. And just use it to get experience with gains and T/A, and settings your crossover points, and you can play around with speaker locations. Keep in mind if you buy the set used, it's already lost it's new value, so you can sell it off for the same price you bought it for. Then once you have experience under your belt with it, sell those off, and piece together your affordable set from Madisound, PE, or DIYcable. And for what it's worth.... this is my dream mid-bass selection: DIYCable.com : Intro Home Exodus Anarchy



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    Re: Going Active

    I'm glad you never tried running those cdt's active @TheUnderFighter ; ...you might have kept them, lol. those xovers held them back, badly.



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    Re: Going Active

    Quote Originally Posted by av83 View Post
    are you sure about those specs? bridged output is usually closer to double the 2 ohm specs per channel. bu teven if it is what you say it is, that a shitload of power... Better get some speakers that can handle it if you plan on using all that juice.
    Yeah I was mistaken on the bridging... more power...
    MCC404m - "In the Two Channel Mode channels 1 and 2, and channels 3 and 4 operate in bridged configuration as a pair of full frequency range 400w amps"
    so 400wx2 @ 4ohmn

    MCC406m - "In the 4 channel operating mode channel pairs of (1 and 2) and (3 and 4) are bridged to provide 200w each @ 4ohms. Channels 5 and 6 are driven independently for 100 watts output for each channel."




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    Yeah I was mistaken on the bridging... more power...
    MCC404m - "In the Two Channel Mode channels 1 and 2, and channels 3 and 4 operate in bridged configuration as a pair of full frequency range 400w amps"
    so 400wx2 @ 4ohmn

    MCC406m - "In the 4 channel operating mode channel pairs of (1 and 2) and (3 and 4) are bridged to provide 200w each @ 4ohms. Channels 5 and 6 are driven independently for 100 watts output for each channel."
    Shoot, If I could run a three way setup with 400 on the woofs, 200 on the mids, and 100 on the tweets, I'd be in heaven, lol. Also, you don't have to squeeze all of that out of them. set your gains for however much power you want.



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    Re: Going Active

    Quote Originally Posted by av83 View Post
    I'm glad you never tried running those cdt's active @TheUnderFighter ; ...you might have kept them, lol. those xovers held them back, badly.
    Well everything sounded really good to me in the upper range, but they just didn't play low enough on the power I wanted to run. The crossovers were the only bad thing about them though haha, so it's good to see they are really shining now active.



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    Re: Going Active

    Quote Originally Posted by av83 View Post
    Shoot, If I could run a three way setup with 400 on the woofs, 200 on the mids, and 100 on the tweets, I'd be in heaven, lol. Also, you don't have to squeeze all of that out of them. set your gains for however much power you want.
    That was kind of what I was thinking to.
    Do you think I would need an alt upgrade + extra battery if I didn't push the system?
    Do you think the sound would be brighter that way?




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    Re: Going Active

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    yup the 4 channel is (100x4 @ 4ohm - bridged would be 200x2 @ 4) - 6.5 mids
    the 6 channel would be (50x4 @ 4 + 100x2 @ 4 so bridging the 50's would be 100x4) - 3.5'' mids and a pair of tweets

    Would it be worth doing? Or should I just use the 6 channel as is w/o the 4 channel?
    I would do the 6 channel 6.5's on the 100w channels and the 3.5's/tweets on the remaining 4 50w channels....And, then I would use the 4 ch on another set of 6.5's and a set of 8ohm silk tweets (if there was room to cut and mount another set of midbasses next to the ones already planned....or study a kha build and place them down in the kicks....just my .02




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    Re: Going Active

    Quote Originally Posted by quackhead View Post
    I would do the 6 channel 6.5's on the 100w channels and the 3.5's/tweets on the remaining 4 50w channels....And, then I would use the 4 ch on another set of 6.5's and a set of 8ohm silk tweets (if there was room to cut and mount another set of midbasses next to the ones already planned....or study a kha build and place them down in the kicks....just my .02
    Thanks quack! I don't think I have a ton of room unfortunately...




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    Quote Originally Posted by West View Post
    That was kind of what I was thinking to.
    Do you think I would need an alt upgrade + extra battery if I didn't push the system?
    Do you think the sound would be brighter that way?
    Depends. what is your sub amp, and at what ohm load are you using it at?



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    Re: Going Active

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    Depends. what is your sub amp, and at what ohm load are you using it at?
    The sub amp is an MCC302 (bridged mono 600W @ 4ohms) I actually only use 300-400W of it though lol.




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    Re: Going Active

    You don't need an alt, then. Not that I would discourage anyone that wanted one, from getting one. They can only help. But its not needed. A decent agm front and rear would help, though. That a decent amount of a/b power.



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    Quote Originally Posted by av83 View Post
    You don't need an alt, then. Not that I would discourage anyone that wanted one, from getting one. They can only help. But its not needed. A decent agm front and rear would help, though. That a decent amount of a/b power.
    Really appreciate it man, I think I will go the whole 9 yards and do both. I may try the 6 channel independently until I can get the monies for the alt and batteries.




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    I think I will go the whole 9 yards and do both.
    absolutely nothing wrong with doing that.



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    Re: Going Active

    Yea that is a gooood bit of A/B power.... you'll definitely need a stout battery under the hood and a Big 3, and likely a battery in the back.



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    Re: Going Active

    Quote Originally Posted by TheUnderFighter View Post
    Yea that is a gooood bit of A/B power.... you'll definitely need a stout battery under the hood and a Big 3, and likely a battery in the back.
    Better safe than sorry... lol




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