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    coaxil vs. component

    how much better quality and sound will i get out of components compared to the 6x9's in my sig?



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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    100x better



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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    Quote Originally Posted by thaster View Post
    100x better
    thats a bit much

    maybe 95x better



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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    id say at least 96X better




    other words, components pown coaxial



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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    Call it 97x, and STFU.



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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    so, in my truck where would be the best place to mount the tweeters? in the door panels?



    1991 dodge ram 2500 standard cab
    hu- kenwood kdc-mp438u
    front- polk momo's 6x9's
    back- diamond audio tweets
    sub- 4 RE8's in sealed enclosure wired to 2 ohms
    sub amp- memphis prd.1000
    6x9's amp- rf 250a2
    everything deadened w/raamat (besides floor and roof)

    refs: civicman07(3), probmxstyle, Slammed, us3, teen,KevinWS6,1985-stang, fo0manchu
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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    Huh, i dont know about you guys but the difference between old school Alpine premium 6x9 and some components like Polk or MB Quart that i heard was bass response, and the comps got louder on the treble but i would definitely not say he will hear a 97x difference. Id say that if you dont have a SUB it will sound MUCH better, but if you have a sub then the difference will be something like 25% better.


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    sub- 4 RE8's in sealed enclosure wired to 2 ohms

    LOL the only thing that will sound better are your vocals, any bass gained from the comps will be way drowned out.




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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    ya, the way it is now is i cant really here the voice too good. im going for loud bass, but also sq so i can atleast here everything else

    how do i go about choosing the size? should i just go with 6.5's?



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    back- diamond audio tweets
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    sub amp- memphis prd.1000
    6x9's amp- rf 250a2
    everything deadened w/raamat (besides floor and roof)

    refs: civicman07(3), probmxstyle, Slammed, us3, teen,KevinWS6,1985-stang, fo0manchu
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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    Err well they have to fit your car so..

    You need to put them tweets in your front stage.. Thats why you cant hear vocals very well.




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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    well, ill need to get an adapter plate, or make one. cause right now i have the 6x9's.



    1991 dodge ram 2500 standard cab
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    front- polk momo's 6x9's
    back- diamond audio tweets
    sub- 4 RE8's in sealed enclosure wired to 2 ohms
    sub amp- memphis prd.1000
    6x9's amp- rf 250a2
    everything deadened w/raamat (besides floor and roof)

    refs: civicman07(3), probmxstyle, Slammed, us3, teen,KevinWS6,1985-stang, fo0manchu
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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    If coherency is of any value to you, a coaxial driver will always have the advantage of being as close to a point source without actually being one. The only improvement would be a single full range driver but that poses a new set of advantages/disadvantages.

    The center of the tweeter should never be any further from the center of the woofer by more than a full wavelength at the crossover frequency. For example, if the crossover point is 3k that amounts to about 4.5". Depending on the particular rate of attenuation per octave you will have phase/lobing issues to deal with if you decide to make that distance greater.

    Something to consider.



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaonzo View Post
    If coherency is of any value to you, a coaxial driver will always have the advantage of being as close to a point source without actually being one. The only improvement would be a single full range driver but that poses a new set of advantages/disadvantages.

    The center of the tweeter should never be any further from the center of the woofer by more than a full wavelength at the crossover frequency. For example, if the crossover point is 3k that amounts to about 4.5". Depending on the particular rate of attenuation per octave you will have phase/lobing issues to deal with if you decide to make that distance greater.

    Something to consider.
    that all just went way over my head! can you elaborate? say i get components, the woofer will be in the door, where in the door panel should the tweeter be?



    1991 dodge ram 2500 standard cab
    hu- kenwood kdc-mp438u
    front- polk momo's 6x9's
    back- diamond audio tweets
    sub- 4 RE8's in sealed enclosure wired to 2 ohms
    sub amp- memphis prd.1000
    6x9's amp- rf 250a2
    everything deadened w/raamat (besides floor and roof)

    refs: civicman07(3), probmxstyle, Slammed, us3, teen,KevinWS6,1985-stang, fo0manchu
    traded: 4OZGLOVES

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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    Coaxials are just components with the tweeter mounted on the cone and the X-over built in...



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    Re: coaxil vs. component

    well i knew that, i just wanted to know how much of an upgrade they would be from my 6x9's



    1991 dodge ram 2500 standard cab
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    front- polk momo's 6x9's
    back- diamond audio tweets
    sub- 4 RE8's in sealed enclosure wired to 2 ohms
    sub amp- memphis prd.1000
    6x9's amp- rf 250a2
    everything deadened w/raamat (besides floor and roof)

    refs: civicman07(3), probmxstyle, Slammed, us3, teen,KevinWS6,1985-stang, fo0manchu
    traded: 4OZGLOVES

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisw91 View Post
    that all just went way over my head! can you elaborate? say i get components, the woofer will be in the door, where in the door panel should the tweeter be?
    Well, I won't tell you where to put everything but let me be more clear about what I was trying to illustrate.

    Let's take the ubiquitous 2khz crossover point. Sound travels at roughly 1130 feet per second.

    1130/2000 = .565'

    .565*12 (to get inches) = 6.78"

    So roughly 6.75" is the longest distance you would want to separate these components ideally. More than that and you will begin to destroy the constructive relationship between the two.



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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