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    Midbass - Lacking? too often i read this

    I have noticed too many times reviews,consumers etc always saying
    that speakers are lacking mid bass.........Surly MFG's try not to create a flat sounding set of speakers

    It has to be install dependant?
    I ask because when I install speakers in my truck
    they sound flatter than the same speaker in my little car....
    my car is a midbass monster and my truck can ruin the SQ
    of even the best speakers

    Smooth tweets,clarity and great midbass among other things makes
    for a great sounding set of highs....


    thoughts ???????







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    Re: Midbass - Lacking? too often i read this

    it takes sufficient amounts of proper door deadening along with a good amount of power to even have good sounding midbass I have found.



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    Re: Midbass - Lacking? too often i read this

    Are you running IB?
    Where is the location compared to the car?
    Are they deadened the same?
    Are you running those MR62s in the truck?
    What kind of truck and car?
    Did you mount them the same way as the car(mdf, straight to door metal ect)?

    This is a hard question and with out trial and error it is going to be hard to answer with out hands on.

    I would recommend maybe trying a d-flex pad behind the speakers in the tuck and see if that helps at all.

    This is a guess as all vehicles are different but the truck door may have more air space than is desired for those comps in IB. Trucks usually have a high noise floor than a car or road noise if you will.IMO I know my car doors have alot less space in them than my truck doors. The truck may need more deadener than the car or even a sound blocker added like MLV.

    In my car I run 6.5-63/4 in the doors and in my truck I run 8"



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    Re: Midbass - Lacking? too often i read this

    Quote Originally Posted by excelerater View Post
    I have noticed too many times reviews,consumers etc always saying
    that speakers are lacking mid bass.........Surly MFG's try not to create a flat sounding set of speakers


    I ask because when I install speakers in my truck
    they sound flatter than the same speaker in my little car....
    my car is a midbass monster and my truck can ruin the SQ
    of even the best speakers



    thoughts ???????


    - Kids today want midbass speakers in the kicks or doors that will make their pant legs flap.

    - In general, pickup trucks are the worst for sound quality... but, it's easy to get lots of bass in single cabs the way the subs couple with the back of the seat and you feel it.



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    Re: Midbass - Lacking? too often i read this

    My opinion is that most people who complain about a lack of midbass from many speaker simply don't know what they are talking about. They want subbass from their mids more often than they want actual midbass. Usually they have their subs turned up so high as to ruin any chances of proper blending anyway. This isnt' true in all cases, but I'd say 75%+ anyway.



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    Re: Midbass - Lacking? too often i read this

    sounds accurate to me...

    I am in the 75% 80% of the time... other times I use the spatial restoration knob with the 5.25" center channel comp set in the middle of my dash... well, at least every day this week since I just got the knob in for my amp



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    Re: Midbass - Lacking? too often i read this

    one problem might be how the door is sealed and if the speaks mount well in it. getting one of those little pod enclosures for your door, if it fits, and sealing air leaks would prolly help the bass response.




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    Re: Midbass - Lacking? too often i read this

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary S View Post
    - Kids today want midbass speakers in the kicks or doors that will make their pant legs flap.

    - In general, pickup trucks are the worst for sound quality... but, it's easy to get lots of bass in single cabs the way the subs couple with the back of the seat and you feel it.
    I agree 100% with this and once you feel it you localize it. Once you do that you start having real problems.

    I do not get wanting to feel the midbass on the leg I guess people feel thats what it supposse to do or some how its cool.

    Being able to run a midbass down to 50hz does help to blend with the sub if done correctly.IMO



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    Re: Midbass - Lacking? too often i read this

    Quote Originally Posted by genxx View Post
    I agree 100% with this and once you feel it you localize it. Once you do that you start having real problems.

    I do not get wanting to feel the midbass on the leg I guess people feel thats what it supposse to do or some how its cool.

    Being able to run a midbass down to 50hz does help to blend with the sub if done correctly.IMO
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    Re: Midbass - Lacking? too often i read this

    Define "midbass"

    I've both attenuated and cut a few bands in the 60-300 hz range to get my midbass to work right on the last 3 pairs of dedicated midbass's I've used. Otherwise, it's overpowering.

    I think the solution is to stop reading those reviews and start learning how to use speakers IN YOUR CAR correctly.



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